Above all, a good heaven, Beneath all, a good foundation, In all, a good God.
Apostolic Strength!
In That Day Teachings
by Robert Winkler Burke
(Who is published as of 1/2/08 by Amazon's Digital Text Platform on its new Kindle e-book: "The Tough Ancient Paths Beyond Today's Popular Christian TV Messages*" (*Of Weakness, Fear, Greed, Giddiness and Pride)
Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry D. Thoreau
Prophetic meat!
Robert Winkler Burke receives Kenya shirt from Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba after ten days of teaching in churches in the Bungoma area of Kenya, Africa in August 2008.
11/30/08
ROBERT,
MY GROWN CHILDREN HAVE ALL GONE BACK TO THEIR SCHOOLS AND APARTMENTS AND I HAVE AS WELL NOT BEEN ABLE TO EXPRESS MY HEART " SONG" TO THEM. O HOW I LOVE THEM. O HOW I DESIRE FOR JESUS TO BE THEIR WISDOM AND LIFE AND FREEDOM. THANK YOU. – A VIEWER
These engines are spiritual manifestation devices,
Transporting being,
Which either expands heaven or hell on earth in us,
Eyes to see seeing.
And what do eyes of lies see?
Self enthroned where God should be,
And what do eyes of truth see?
God, at times, in you and me.
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, NevadaUSA
775-690-7293 cell
www.inthatdayteachings.com
11/27/08
Survive This Current Enigma, Be Prepared – Nothing much to say other than if you want to heed a wise financial seer, then see Peter Schiff of http://www.europac.net/.Many of you, many of us have moved or live in sanctuary cities, have sustainable situations, have good preparations.Many of you, many of us are weak in some areas.And we need to be better prepared, but with wisdom.With the leading of the Holy Spirit, prepare.Be prepared to not die, but live and declare the mighty works of the Lord.
Thanksgiving View – For four years the In That Day Teachings has correctly explained the erroneous doxie and terrible shenanigans of the popular broadcast ministries, shenanigans which so blind people, they are not prepared for difficult times.This true revelation has resulted in very little respect; except for some appreciative website viewers.No Christian leaders other than in the far-out-of-way place of Bungoma, Western Kenya, have thought to correspond with me to confirm any of these teachings.Nevertheless, the bulk of the teachings appear to be stunningly accurate, timely and true.So now a global economic meltdown comes; and with it surely will come social chaos.Social chaos is an extremely bad thing because it is so destructive.But during any extended time of global woe, truth wins.Watch truth win during the next decade, as lies lose.This means lie-lovers and makers will lose in extreme.Truth lovers will win, and with winning will come respect for truth not otherwise possible.So this present woe brings truth confirmation, and the exposure of lies.Apparently, too few people heed difficult truths, unless woe makes them.The time for woe has now come; which means the time for truth or consequences has now come.This is bad for those who must listen to lies and make lies; including lies about rapture, eternal security, a fix-all-Second coming, seed/faith give-to-get self-interest schemes, and all that departs from worshiping God in spirit and truth.But it is good for those who must listen to truth and live truth; even the difficult but timely truths of In That Day Teachings. So, listen to truth and live truth, and live.We give thanks for truth, which is heaven, which is God, which is supposed to be in you, which is supposed to be in me; which is supposed to be heaven come to earth in this day; which is manifesting Jesus, which is the hope of In That Day Teachings.
And if you lack basic logic that all can’t at once be king,
You will buy my wicked, take-every-evil-advantage scheme.
Guile says,
So, discover my popular ways to sell your soul,
And then slickly beguile others to believe you’re whole.
Guile says,
Thus, you can get the gullible poor to make you gazillions rich,
By having them believe God will multiply cash sent you by tricks.
Guile says,
Or boast and brag: You’re the sage of the age!
When in truth, my beguiled are mind-caged.
Guile says,
Now by doing all this, your soul is sold to my boss, Satan,
And you will live secluded, else people find you’re a cretin.
Guile says,
You see, there are big truths profound and little truths almost like lies,
With me, you will only sell the latter as the former disguised.
Guile says,
So get your great ideas from me, then preach, publish and profit!
There’s no guile like my guile, you blind others and then hawk it!
Guile says,
Get thee on the radio, TV, internet, videos, blogs, whatever,
And shill my mini-truths as a paramount, praiseworthy, god-sent discover.
Guile says,
Or even better:Be a publisher of others,
Making covers on layers, and layers on covers.
Guile says,
You will then blind the flock to your pride, and they to theirs,
When you pose as God’s children, but are the Devil’s heirs.
Guile says,
And you can’t be blamed: Others believe in you,
It’s just what lie lovers and lie makers do.
Guile says,
It’s the scam of the Millennium, these dealings of mine,
That so many get rich by selling my trappings refined!
Guile says,
In this, I prove the biggest herd is always wrong,
You must carefully choose which fold you belong.
Guile says,
Now, pure truth-seekers bust through this rot,
And repent and recant what they ought.
Guile says,
So, before in hell you pay with your hide, in style,
Don’t you see this endless-loop illogic ride, by Guile!
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, NevadaUSA
775-690-7293 cell
www.inthatdayteachings.com
Executive Privilege Says Bye to Jets – As Ford executives respond to the real world, and get rid of extravagant spending on jets, what about the jets of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Trinity Broadcasting Network, et al?Are these jets simply 20 to 36 million dollar stones around the necks of preachers receiving widow’s mites?
Note the Pattern – Real world people respond quick to reality, TV pastors much slower.
Ford Motor May Sell its Executive Jets –
AP 11/21/08
Ford Motor Co. may sell its fleet of five corporate jets after top executives of the three Detroit automakers were harshly criticized by members of Congress this week for their travel expenses.
In a statement issued Friday, Ford said it is exploring all options for the fleet, which it said has been reduced from nine in 2005.
“Ford’s top priority is to continue making progress on our transformation plan, and we do not want anything to distract us,” spokesman Mark Truby said in a statement. “We are exploring all cost-effective solutions for our air travel.”
The announcement comes just days after Ford CEO Alan Mulally, Chrysler LLC CEO Robert Nardelli and General Motors Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner traveled to Washington on separate corporate jets to seek $25 billion in government loans to help them make it through the worst U.S. auto sales downturn in 25 years. Congress, though, abandoned a vote on the bailout after a disastrous appearance in which the automakers were criticized for lavish corporate travel, as well as for having poor business plans and high labor costs that some members said would keep them from being competitive with Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, said in Washington that “these guys flying in their big corporate jets doesn’t send a good message to people in Searchlight, Nev., or Las Vegas or Reno or anyplace in this country.”
Corporations typically lease planes, buy them or charter aircraft to transport executives and other employees. Many require executives to travel by corporate jet for security reasons and so they can meet with other executives and do work while traveling. Truby said that of the five remaining jets, three are used for executive travel, while the other two shuttle employees such as engineers to factories where new products are being launched.
“We have been and continue to look at all of our operations to reduce costs and operate more efficiently,” he said.
GM said Thursday that it was in the process of returning two of its five leased corporate jets to the leasing company.
Spokesman Tom Wilkinson said the company planned to return the jets because travel spending had been cut. The jets were scheduled to be returned even before the automakers were criticized in Washington, he said.
“It would have been done anyway,” Wilkinson said. “It’s just the travel cutbacks have been so severe. It’s just not being used.”
GM started the year with seven leased jets but returned two of them in September, Wilkinson said. Chrysler spokesman David Elshoff would not comment on its jets.
11/20/08
More Read and Weep:This from Lee Grady, Editor of Charisma Magazine, an outfit bold enough to point fingers at wayward ministries, yet afraid to herald In That Day Teachings, which explain in great insight the problems with doxies of popular church.
TV Pastors:Begging and Jets Don’t Mix – Check out this news story of how America’s “Big Three” automobile executives were mocked for taking their $20,000 per trip executive jets, costing $36 million each, to the capitol, tin cup in hand as it were, to ask for $25 billion from the public for their mismanaged ops.The news story lists the price for commercial round trip flight from Detroit to Washington via Northwest Airlines on coach fare, $288; first class $837.Behold, these same numbers apply to preachers.
Power Corrupts – Preachers on TV and the Big Three auto execs also need traveling security teams, and these men and operations add expense.Power people need expensive security to shield them from the public.But such shielding tends to distort power people’s reality.
More Read and Weep:“The problem with lying and thieving preachers in America is that they all preach to others but never listen to others.” – Sandra & Walter Kambulow
First, Consider this From Victor Davis Hanson, military historian from California:
So, for example, we forget that in February 2007, the progressive journalist Ben Wallace-Wells wrote a balanced, but sympathetic article for Rolling Stone about the soon-to-be presidential candidate Barack Obama entitled "Destiny's Child." After examining Obama's associates, world view, and background, Wallace-Wells concluded, I think, in admiration: This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from, as much Malcolm X as Martin Luther King Jr. Wright is not an incidental figure in Obama's life, or his politics.The senator "affirmed" his Christian faith in this church; he uses Wright as a "sounding board" to "make sure I'm not losing myself in the hype and hoopla." Both the title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, and the theme for his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 come from Wright's sermons. "If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."
Second, Consider the charge that In That Day Teachings make that much of wayward broadcast Christianity uses Neuro-Linguistic Programming shenanigans to get and keep its base of power, money and so-called prestige.
Is anyone familiar with the 1962 Frank Sinatra movie, Manchurian Candidate? It is about an unfortunate Korean War soldier who is brainwashed into becoming an unwilling and unconscious sniper assassin for the Communist Party. The plot revolves this man’s attempt to shoot a US Presidential candidate. (With the help of his friend, played by Frank Sinatra, the scheme is foiled.)
THUS: Today in 2008, we appear to have a brain-washer US Presidential candidate, taught via a wayward Christian pastor and a wayward news media and a wayward Democrat party and a wayward American culture.
So there you have it: Waywardness in Christianity, in politics, in news media and in American culture insist that no spade is called a spade, no truth is called a truth and no lie is called a lie. The loonies are running the world, it would appear.
It is much like the last page of the Bible. The lovers and makers of lies are outside the gates of truth (also called heaven.) In this wayward place are dogs, sorcerers and whoremongers. And boy howdy, are they having a GREAT TIME!
Inside the gates of truth you find normalcy, honor and high-level comprehension of truths, even bitter truths. They face exotic obstacles, chief among them being utter perversion of mind and spirit in what the outstide-the-gate-of-truth group thinks of, well, just about everything.
We also seem to be having self-marking going on during this election. God’s angels don’t have to mark people, as the Bible records. Now with “Obama-Nation,” members of the world mark themselves better than any angel could hope to.
Resentment, hatred, bigotry and insanity seem to be revered. One woman’s bumper sticker reads, “I vote with my mind, not my gender – Obama ’08.” Thus she chooses the abortion rights advocate, who is positively for killing female babies unborn. This she chooses in the hallowed name of intelligence.
I feel like very much out in the wilderness with the observation that our wayward Christian broadcasting system which operates at a) such an infantile level, b) at such a high stage-hypnosis NLP level, c) at an incomprehensibly uncorrectable level and d) at a level apparently totally BLIND to the GREAT EVIL promulgated by such low-down, low-character, low-shenanigan operations.
We need truth from Christian broadcasting about its own scurrilous stage-hypnotism, infantile reasoning and almost total absence of greatness as easily discerned by reading great minds and characters of history: Such as Paul himself, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, America’s founding fathers, Winston Churchill in his prime, Margaret Thatcher in her prime, Ronald Reagan in his prime, Theodore Roosevelt in his prime, or Peter, or James, or Jude, or Isaiah, or Ezekiel, or Jeremiah or Moses.
Such men walked the earth in their day. In This Day, we need to believe such men exist, are prepared by God for their callings, and we must honor and listen and believe great men and women of our day.
The wayward culture, the wayward news media, the wayward politics and especially the wayward Christian broadcasting organizations are much guilty of great and terrible sin. The leaders of such must be excoriated and shunned, and replaced with sane and moral and good men and women. That is the change coming.
These truths are at once horrifically ugly and yet ethereally beautiful.
10/24/08 – Lee Grady notes that T. D. Jakes has endorsed Barack Obama. In That Day Teachings notes that T.D. Jakes is a great user of stage techniques not unlike stage hypnotists and Neuro-Linguistic Programming experts. Jakes could learn from Obama, who learned from Wright. It’s not about race, it’s about shenanigans.
See Lee Grady’s Charisma piece: Breaking up with Obama is hard to do:
In That Day Teachings say: Look for the highest truth you can see: Obama, Jakes, the TBN crowd use NLP deception techniques to veil their self-glory, strange anointings and mind-numbing repetition.
In That Day Teachings proclaim that higher taught people would learn from higher taught leaders who would say: OK, this is what Paula White does via NLP-craft when she asks: “How many of you have had a bad thing happen to you, I’m here to tell you GOD IS GOOD!”
First off, the question is used as a logic-jolt. Paula White never, never, ever is concerned with how many in the audience. So there is no count. It is strictly a ploy. The logical mind is befuddled, and the trance begins. Only it takes repetition.
Paula White repeats the question twenty to thirty times, changing the illness in the mantra. Then the third of the audience that are suggestible, they are trance induced. You’ll see ladies stand up and sway their head left to right and mutter, “My, my my!” or something like that. It is low-level hypnotism.
LEADERS OF THE LIGHT… would explain what the low-level Christian leaders do in the way of NLP stage hypnotism SHENANIGANS.
BUT INSTEAD, we hear that the highest level teachings can be had at expensive seminars or conferences where emotion is high, jabberwocky is higher and wallets will be light as air by sermon’s end.
THIS, is high-level Christianity? Rather, it is low-down monkey business.
If it were rocket-builders to the moon, we are seeing failures glorified as successes, with explosion after embarrassing explosion on the lift off pads. The crazy rocket scientists are pretenders, and will never reach the moon until they admit failure as failure and deception as deception. They must admit, they don’t have a clue!
This is why the T.D. Jakes brand of deception is dangerous. A good student of deception, Obama, is almost elected president. Obama learned from Wright.
This is the EXACT opposite of good Christian religion. And it isn’t what birthed the Spirit of Seventy-Six at America’s blessed birth.
Back then, in the Eighteenth Century, the preaching must have been good.
Now, it is clearly substandard. Now it is infantile. Now it is an Obama-nation, because the preaching is so infantile and so truth-lacking.
Who talks about the deceiving techniques, but for unheralded bloggers?
But thank GOD for bloggers, the internet and truth aggregation sites!
In the end, TRUTH ALWAYS WINS! Always, always, always. It just takes time.
I hope our nation has time.
I hope the world has time.
Time has almost run out, and there is much to learn about truth that’s not taught.
Why don’t preachers spend next Sunday talking about the first 100 steps used in NLP stage-hypnotist programming commonly found in both the TBN family preaching machine and also Barack Obama’s speeches?
The techniques that worked so well for Hitler and the Third Reich, now have worked well for TBN, and work extremely well for Barack Obama.
The works of Hitler, the NLP crowd at TBN, Obama… their speeches read like dribble. They are not lasting. They only sustain themselves by HUGE IMMERSION of logic-defying stage witchcraft techniques. That their message NEEDS such immersion is by that fact, a red flag waiving.
The works of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Paul, Peter, the great books of Western Civilization … their speeches and writings read like high truth. Truth is a brotherhood.
Lies of deception is also a brotherhood. And since truth always wins, we have no debate. The deception brothers run the hood, and say their hood is everything.
We are paying a huge price for infantile preaching.
It is costing us much good.
I hope preachers wake up.
I hope sheep wake up.
I hope it is not too late.
We must pray.
Rwb
More Shenanigans: Mac Hammond faces off with the IRS wanting to know about sweet deals from his church to himself regarding housing and plane.
As author of In That Day Teachings website, I simply attempt to present to you truth, truth that is tested over time.
Obama is full of shenanigans even as the popular broadcast church is full of shenanigans. God is exposing both as such, even as God has exposed the shenanigans of high finance.
So, over time the In That Day Teachings keep piling up the aggregate pile of truth, much like a rock quarry would.
I even daresay God appears to be setting up a Nov. surprise, the signs abound that Obama will not be the easy “shoe-in” that he, and the liberal (anti-christ) press, nor the world collectively think. God is a surprising general, indeed.
1 Corinthians 2:3-5 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Luk 11:17But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a housedividedagainst a house falleth.
Luk 11:18If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
Luk 11:19And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons castthem out? therefore shall they be your judges.
Note:In their spirits the NLP Ministries cannot oppose the abortion-supporting Obama because NLP leaders are of the same principle spirit of beguilement.The NLP Ministries abort souls by blinding them to truth, the NLP politicians abort unborn so they never see the light of day. Catholic leadership sees clearly, and opposes Obama.The TBN-NLP crowd may oppose Obama with their mouths, some of them, but they are of the same beguiling spirit.This is why NLP broadcast ministries must Weep, Howl and Wail in repentance – someday, we pray.The TBN crowd with NLP, Rapture fear and Prosperity greed have been far, far off the mark of truth for the Twenty-First Century.They have erred greatly.So also the Third Wave, Dominion, Emotional-Tizzy-Prophet Jabberwocky crowd.Folks, it’s time to get back to Orthodoxy, true Orthodoxy in love with the Holy Spirit.False orthodoxy has hated God’s Spirit.True Orthodoxy is Spirit Filled, but not ever of a wrong spirit, which was the main problem in the Twentieth Century, and was supposed to be fixed as we entered the Twenty-First Century.It isn’t fixed, and thus things are really bollixed up until repentance comes to the American Broadcast Preaching Machine, TBN-NLP et al. Meanwhile, God’s lovely world is receiving a lot of trash from the uncorrected TBN-NLP crowd, and the world doesn’t need the additional confusion.The evil of the day is sufficient, without billion-dollar preaching machines adding NLP, greed, fear and jabberwocky beamed up into hundreds of satellites for world broadcast and consumption by confused souls.This is Christianity?Or is it uncorrected insanity.Is God drawing attention unto Obama-nation, i.e. abomination, the inability of Jesus to indwell a soul or the soul of nations?All because truth is too bitter for the TBN-NLP crowd, which loves their milk.– rwb.
Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba (Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa),
This is another poem, one that keys off the name of Jeremiah Wright, the outrageously bad pastor of Barack Obama for 20 years. Wright used NLP for evil. Obama learned his techniques quite well.
I hope this helps your pastors and congregation to see.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
P.S. Are you following all this?
10/20/08
On Putting God’s Message in the Trough So the Pigs Can Eat It
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/19/08
1 Corinthians 2:3-5
When an arch-typical Christian broadcast leader,
Said what he reportedly said,
To put God’s message “in the trough so the pigs can eat it!”
Here is the thing to dread.
Making the message of Christ so dumb,
That funds are easy,
Consequently makes souls of the listeners,
Worse than queasy.
Their ears dumbed down,
Their heads turned ‘round,
Their pockets emptied,
Their future un-safety’d,
Their lie-detection disabled,
Their evil leaders enabled,
God’s trusting sheep are thus happily enslaved,
Not with iron shackles but with thoughts engraved.
So televangelist Paula White,
To hypnotically,
Deep-trance induct,
Quickly and easily,
Using classic pacing methods of,
Neuro-Linguistic Programming,
And stage-hypnosis techniques,
Repeatedly says,
These mantras:
“How many of you have had a bad thing happen?
“Well, I’m here to tell you: GOD IS GOOD!”
And she repeats this hypnotic,
Neuro-Linguistic Programming,
Twenty or thirty times,
Each time,
Substituting different ills,
In the mantra.
And she proudly asserts,
She is by these low-level truths,
An irreproachable leader,
Regarding century-old problems,
That have humbled,
Earth’s collective wisdom.
She controls thoughts,
And emotions,
And gains money,
And power,
Without the higher truths,
Of God in religion.
Their ears dumbed down,
Their heads turned ‘round,
Their pockets emptied,
Their future un-safety’d,
Their lie-detection disabled,
Their evil leaders enabled,
God’s trusting sheep are thus happily enslaved,
Not with iron shackles but with thoughts engraved.
So candidate Barack Obama,
To hypnotically,
Deep-trance induct,
Quickly and easily,
Using classic pacing methods of,
Neuro-Linguistic Programming,
And stage-hypnosis techniques,
Repeatedly says,
These mantras:
“I’m here to tell you,
“Now I have come,
“I stand before you,”
“My voice is being heard,”
“I can stand here and say,”
“That’s why I stand here tonight,”
“Now is the time,”
“This moment,”
“That is the only reason I am standing here tonight,”
And he proudly asserts,
He is by these low-level truths,
An irreproachable leader,
Regarding century-old problems,
That have humbled,
Earth’s collective wisdom.
He thus controls thoughts,
And emotions,
And gains money,
And power,
Without the higher truths,
Of God in leadership.
Their ears dumbed down,
Their heads turned ‘round,
Their pockets emptied,
Their future un-safety’d,
Their lie-detection disabled,
Their evil leaders enabled,
God’s trusting sheep are thus happily enslaved,
Not with iron shackles but with thoughts engraved.
All such archetype leaders,
In either religion or politics,
Use these mind-control methods,
In opacity, in darkness.
They never tell their audience,
Their words are mind-game tricks.
Because if they did,
The people would,
Deny them,
Power.
And for such low faith leaders,
Who don’t understand,
Moses or Abraham Lincoln,
They must necessarily,
Deceive.
Their ears dumbed down,
Their heads turned ‘round,
Their pockets emptied,
Their future un-safety’d,
Their lie-detection disabled,
Their evil leaders enabled,
God’s trusting sheep are thus happily enslaved,
Not with iron shackles but with thoughts engraved.
1 Corinthians 2:3-5 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba (Bungoma, West Kenya, Africa),
Remember I talked to you about NLP, Nuero-Linguistic Programming? At your church I showed how pastors "anchor" a bad thing in one part of the room, then "anchor" a good thing in another part of the room. Then, later when they ask for donations, they stand at the "good part of the room."(But they don’t explain their psychic anchor-setting.)This is NLP Space-Anchoring.
I showed this in your church. It is part of NLP, Nuero-Linguistic Programming.
Barrack Obama uses NLP almost continually. It is evil. It is bad. I hope he does not become President of the USA. It would be TERRIBLE for Africa.
Imagine the copy cats in Africa! In Bungoma! It would be terrible! It is so evil.
The In That Day Teachings do not change. The truth is the truth. It changes not.
So what I preached to you this summer, I don't have to erase or change. what I said about NLP in Christianity, that it is bad, I don't have to change.
NLP is also bad in politics. Obama uses it, and it is bad. Preachers use it, and it is bad.
Africa does not need to be more blind. America does not need to be more blind. Christians do not need to be more blind.
This is why for four years I have said the televised church, the American Preaching Machine, the televangelists of fame.... must become aware of their sins and WEEP, and HOWL and WAIL regarding the great and powerful sins they have promulgated worldwide for fifty years.
In maturity is great sight. In mature doctrines believed is great sight.
In NLP shenanigans is slavery, oppression, corruption and every evil.
I weep for America. I weep for Africa. I weep for the blindness people so do love.
My website promulgates truth, something I give God the glory for.
I give God thanks for In That Day Teachings.
I give God for the sight you have, Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba... and your very special pastors, team and congregation.
You are very, very blessed. (With a smile I add, can you see that?)
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada USA
775-690-7293 cell
10/18/08
Big Shot Megillah Ministers of Three and a Half
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/17/08
Daniel 12:6-7 and Revelation 12:13-15
We are Big Shot Megillah Ministers,
Of just Three and a Half,
We are fat, full of hot air and ourselves,
And time, times and a half!
It’s the number for us,
And I pray also now you!
It’s the number for us,
Knowing not what we do.
We’re incomplete,
So it’s repeat.
Do it again and,
Think it’s neat.
Why three and a half?
Why the number?
It’s half of Seven:
Perfect wonder.
Seven is perfect,
And complete.
We’re half-baked,
Must repeat.
Until we see exactly just,
What the spirits we’re of,
And all our wrong doxies,
From under, not above.
We’ll preach prosperity,
And be blind to greed,
We’ll preach rapture,
Seeing not fear’s seed.
Or we’ll jabberwocky talk nonsense about,
Nothing that’s something new,
Dominion, Third Wave, Prophecy, Emotion:
A flood of any witch’s brew.
We’ll preach on God,
But not bring Him neigh,
And never think it’s odd,
Or think of lies we buy.
We buy Three and a Half,
Nothing ever changes.
All in life is inevitable,
God never rearranges.
In fact, God isn’t alive,
To indwell us quickly,
To us, religion is jive,
And kind of sickly.
Three and a Half,
We love it so.
Send us money,
Make ours grow.
Three and a Half,
Seed Faith Shenanigans,
Three and a Half,
Worship doctrines of man.
Three and a Half,
Fear rapture or the beast,
Three and a Half,
Boom-bust feelings feast.
Three and a Half,
We’re crazy and odd,
Three and a Half,
We broadcast not God.
Three and a Half,
For fifty years without change,
Three and a Half,
Gold, big hair, egos deranged.
Three and a Half,
Don’t see: Our repetition is nuts,
Three and a Half,
Don’t see: We’re stuck in bad ruts.
Look!Over there, you see,
People in God, like heaven!
Ignore them, hate them, spite them!
They have found Seven.
We’re Three and a Half’ers,
Stuck in endless hell,
Don’t ever tell us, friend,
God can truly indwell!
Three and a Half,
We’re telling you it’s the highest, happiest number!
Three and a Half,
All hail godless, endless loop religion with slumber!
Dan 12:6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Dan 12:7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Rev 12:13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba (Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa),
Here is today's poem. It seems quite powerful to me.
Tell me, how do you like this poem?
You know, the rapture-believing preachers on TV often talk about how we must speak words of life, that angels perform good deeds according to the words we speak, but they don't connect the "witness of saints," or the "saints in the air," or the "cloud of witnesses" or actually simply "the angels" who do the work....
I believe they are the saints of yesteryear now in heaven. This, the Bible clearly backs up. Moses and Elijah visit Jesus. God tells Moses He is the God of the very much alive Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus says that father Abraham received Lazarus in his bosom. Angels visit Jesus and give him food in the garden.In the four gospels, Moses is mentioned 37 times.The spirit of Satan visits Jesus several times.Malachi mentions the spirit of Elijah returning, that God would send that prophet to earth!
So clearly the Bible says the spirit world is a very busy place with a lot of help going towards humans.
After you die, Pastor Benjamin, and you go to heaven.... won't you want to help Bungoma and Kenya? Of course!!! Of course!!! Of course!!!Won't you want to help your family, your friends, and the children of such?Of course!!! Of course!!! Of course!!!
But the silly, abominable popular church focuses on rapture and prosperity. This delays heaven come to earth.In the story of the talents, Jesus says that those who please God by the productive use of talents they are given, are happily received by God and then given authority over certain cities as leaders, or shepherds of certain spiritual power.That would be you after you get to heaven, perhaps!
Thus while on earth we must understand and accept the help available to us from saints in heaven, angels in heaven and God Almighty Himself.It just makes biblical sense.
Throughout the Bible, spirits from heaven visit man. This is still true today. So look at Paul, knocked from his horse. Look at Peter with his visions. And John the Revelator with his visits by angels. Look at the old man at the temple who prayed for baby Jesus, he was told he'd see the savior before he died. Look at Joseph and his dreams. Look at David and his prophetic psalms. Look at all the angelic visits to the family of Jesus before and after His birth.Gideon was visited by an angel.Same with Abraham.Same, actually, with everybody who believes in God!(We just need to see spiritually!)
Everywhere, everywhere, everywhere in the Bible you see examples of heaven come to earth to help man. But popular broadcast preaching turns its back on this help by focusing on prosperity and rapture, doctrines from the pit of hell.
Those sensitive to the spirit realm can sometimes feel the presence of a) either God's Spirit and heavenly helpers or b) Satan's copycat spirit and Satan's helpers -- false anointing and false worship and false religion.
So whether we believe it or not, the invisible spirit realm is ALWAYS busy, either working on our good behalf or working furiously against our good behalf.
Curious that popular broadcast Christianity often turns its back to the way the Bible says things really are, which is that saints and angels from heaven visit us for our good, to bring heaven to earth now – not in the “sweet by and by.”
Everything with God is now, or very close to now, or getting ready for now.
Everything with false religion is something else, like money, greed, false doctrine, fear or anything to occupy our minds from having and receiving the mind of Christ and His glorious and quick indwelling!
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada USA
775-690-7293 cell
Regarding Hidden Finances – Who hid finances in the Bible?
2Ki 7:8And when these lepers came to the uttermost part of the camp, they went into one tent, and did eat and drink, and carried thence silver, and gold, and raiment, and went and hid it; and came again, and entered into another tent, and carried thence also, and went and hid it.
(Stay tuned for US Senator Chuck Grassley’s further investigations.)
10/16/08
I Lit a Fire of My Own Making By Robert Winkler Burke Of inthatdayteachings.com Copyright 10/15/08 Isaiah 50:11
I lit a fire of my own making, For all the world to see, I lit a fire of my own making, And an angel came to me.
How did you kindle this fire? My son, The angel of me asked. I said it was not such an easy job, Difficult was the task.
I ripped pages out of my lectern Bible, About Christ’s indwelling return, Then the flames really caught hold, God’s abiding pages quickly burn!
So what do you use to preach from? The angel asked incredulously. I preach from books written by man, About rapture and prosperity.
Preacher, the angel said, those doxies, Are full of greed and fear. Maybe so, I said. But wow! They really, Draw the kingdom near!
Which kingdom, asked the angel, Draws fear and greed neigh? I don’t know, I replied, but it sure, Makes people really buy!
They buy into this bonfire here, Made with pages of the Bible. This fire we broadcast worldwide, We think it has no rival.
Just one, said the angel, Your rival is God’s truth. So much truth you burn, It’s God Spirit you forsooth.
But I said, Now angel, How dare you, To chasten me or rebuke? I rip Revelation Three: Nineteen out now, It burns brightest, look!
Your fire burns not for heaven’s glory, But your own vanity, With each page of the Bible you burn, You burn your sanity.
Behold now, your ministry implode, In immorality and lust, Even as your bonfire grows higher, It cannot forever last.
You’ll run out of Bible pages to burn, And also out of time, Wise people will have enough of you, And your selfish kind.
Each day in hell you will regret, Each truth you burned, You’ll cry in darkness, When it was light, If only I had learned.
Sure enough, the angel left, And my fire went out. So I asked for a million dollars, From my donors devout.
So people, believe me or the angel, What have you got to lose? Look at me, I am worth a billion! Which now do you choose?
Isaiah 50:11 (Amplified) Behold, all you [enemies of your own selves] who attempt to kindle your own fires [and work out your own plans of salvation], who surround and gird yourselves with momentary sparks, darts, and firebrands that you set aflame!--walk by the light of your self-made fire and of the sparks that you have kindled [for yourself, if you will]! But this shall you have from My hand: you shall lie down in grief and in torment.
My dear and lovely in Christ Apostle ROBERT WINKLER BURKE Reno Nevada U.S.A
Praise God,
Nice and powerful today’s poem,
Thank you for your prayers, as I precede with my drivers education classes with YOUR blessing and support. I’m learning how to drive!
We were not disappointed. As soon as we entered into worship with you in western Kenya Bungoma, we were corporately enveloped in the most amazing presence of God. It was like instantly entering into zero-gravity in space – there was no resistance and everything became weightless and easy! We were like little kids, reveling in the freedom and worshiping for hours. Then afterwards, the Holy Spirit led us in what seemed effortless times of sharing, prayer, declaration and prophetic acts through your Teachings, gifts to my Children plus a great gift you gave me, a Laptop, assistance to the seminar and some pastors their needs, visitation of churches, you supported transportation as you were with us in western Kenya Bungoma, we still remember as we visited Nzoia sugar Company, we all say love love love love love love, regards and greetings from my wonderful beloved wife Judith, our six Children, Tom and his wife pastors, prayer and worship Team and the whole congregation to your beloved wonderful (family members mentioned by name).
My dear President and Founder In That Day Teachings Apostle ROBERT WINKLER BURKE, I’m humbled by your daily poems, it has a full impact you always touch my life, you changed my life from darkness to light, your poems has also changed my wife Judith, she is now active and co operative in the word of God, she is now working with women leaders, you have changed the church in a very special way, we shall never forget, forgive us for any mistake we make as you came in Kenya, it was costly and burden for you, we are humbled before God and before you my dear Apostle ROBERT WINKLER BURKE.
In this gathering in the Conference at Kanduyi church, the Lord moved in a way I have not experienced before, I was touched by your Teachings and the way you were using parables, that I can see Jesus in you and that you can also see Jesus in me, I’m humbled my dear Apostle ROBERT WINKLER BURKE, I forgive those who speak against our partnership, they don’t understand our first start spiritual connection, let us pray that may God give them eyes to see and understand what the Holy spirit is speaking through your Teachings and poems, regarding the work of God in Bungoma, let us be in touch and base to In That Day Teachings ministry, if anybody write against me, forgive them and copy to me so that You and I pray them change and enter into the kingdom together with us . The discerning team would gather to pray together before each vision, plans and all trips to Canada and Africa , yet many times we could not figure out what direction your trips to go. So we simply chose to unite our hearts in faith and enter into the worship trusting the Lord would direct us as He wanted.
I came away from the gathering deeply impacted. I saw how even in our confusion, as long as we positioned ourselves in faith, the Lord did exactly what He wanted. And I realized we have entered into a new season of the sovereignty of God through your Teachings and poems.
When I consider the current trip you came in Kenya , immediately the Lord brings me back to the gathering in assembly. Despite the confusion we see around us I believe we are on the verge of seeing a display of the mighty sovereign power of God in our ministry in a way that we have not experienced before. I sense God is even allowing these because He wants to leave no doubt when He moves that it is His sovereign hand and not the wisdom of the best-laid human plans that will ultimately bring His will and His kingdom to his people.
In the mighty name of Jesus, Ruler Supreme, as we pray?
Thank you for your faithfulness to pray and stand for God’s purposes for our churches!
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba (Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa,)
Thank you for your e-mails.
Yes, proceed with your drivers education classes with my blessing. Learn to drive!
And thank you for your prayers. I believe they are helping me to receive poems of understanding, poems that will promulgate the true doctrines of In That Day Teachings.
One of the bulwarks of In That Day Teachings, is to watch what spirits you are of. This is, of course, the teaching of Jesus.
But, oh how our televangelists today do not care a whit about what spirits they are of!
So, the poem “When Evil Spirits in Me Rise Up” makes fun of them. How can a televangelist preach the gospel without caring (or knowing) what spirits he is of? It's absurd!
And so, my friend Benjamin, God rewards these rotten televangelists by letting them be very extreme in their absurdness. They are just plain goofy, weird and desolate of God's true spirit.
But, of course, such goofiness is not seen by the leaders themselves. This is why so much in popular broadcast ministry seems to be stuck in a rut. It is a rut of their own design. The leaders love their ruts. And the leaders won't get out of them.
The only problem is that the world of believers that follow such leaders.... well, they also are in the same ditch of a rut.
But perhaps with poems like the ones I’ve received, people will see truth with a greater perspective, and demand that their leaders pay the price to have and teach such truth.
Thank you for the compliment on “I Am the Remnant” poem. I give God the glory!
I appreciate your interest. Sometimes I feel I am doing a great work! Other times I am disappointed at the low readership of In That Day Teachings, which is apparently between 20 to 50 people a day.
But these poems seem to be accomplishing much, I hope.
First, they familiarize readers to deep doctrinal issues that are virtually ignored by popular preachers in broadcast around the planet.
Second, they make fun of such popular preachers who, while praising themselves to the sky, obviously have missed the issues of the day by light-year distances. (The issues of the day being primarily…
A) discovery and explanation of egregious doctrines of the popular preachers in charge of the wayward church broadcasting system, then
B) deep and massive repentance and finally
C) walking into a new era -- actually the New Millennium -- of substantial abiding, or indwelling, in Christ to shepherd the restoration of all things, which is the new heaven come to earth -- now, but in stages.
D) Everything is in percentages! (For example, go visit the Statue of Liberty and there you have seen a concept of heaven executed in substantial perfection on earth 120 years ago! Wow! It can -- and will -- be done!Ditto for living humans.)
E) Abiding in Christ functions in oneself according to how much you can honor Abiding in Christ in another currently alive individual who operates in Christ at a higher level than oneself.In other words, it takes massive humility – like not seen or believed or demonstrated is possible by the proud self-exalting broadcasting ministers of the day – to have Christ at high levels functioning in oneself.
F)All this explains why much of TBN’s family of broadcasters – and copycats around the world – are actually a blend of verity and vanity, and sometimes the blend is far to much towards the vanity arena of anti-christ and his evil hordes.This explains the huge world of Christian blindness to truth and love of false doxies.
Third, the poems back up, or substantiate, or prove out, four years of pioneering work of the In That Day Teachings website... with full disclosure that yes, the work contains errors and corrections, and will continue to receive corrections, and will continue to work toward maturity, or spiritual perfection.
Fourth, the poems show how God works real-time in a person who can receive His Spirit at a higher level than most leaders in popular Christianity are apparently aware is possible. Thus, like child-artist Akiane Kramaric, I receive daily manna that really is daily manna, not the gobbledy-gook present so-called leaders think is fresh manna. Fresh manna is often quite creative, exotically so, and therein are the tell-tale marks that God is, indeed, working through the individual. (For example, God rushed a lot of powerful work through Akiane Karmaric when she was four through eight years old; primarily to show the world only God indwelling an individual is capable of such stunning work).... Now, as for me.... I am continually surprised the so-called great leaders in broadcast Christianity have uniformly ignored me and my work..... But then, when I see the video clips of how TBN's Matthew Crouch utterly butchered his last opportunity to interview Akiane Kramaric and her father regarding her work, then I am glad they don't contact me. This April 2008 interview by Matthew of Akiane was bizarre, because her maturity in Christ -- the VERY SPIRITS of Jesus living n her at a high level -- totally demented Matthew's character. Matthew allowed demons in himself to manifest at a high level, and then the show became an opportunity for anti-christ to belittle Akiane's life and her work, instead of an opportunity for Christ to come together in people to promote our Father's kingdom.And as the In That Day Teachings continually emphasize, we must HONOR those in whom Christ manifests, for ourselves to do likewise, else we fall.Thus, Matthew fell a great distance when he showed he could not honor Christ in Akiane!
At my age, I would handle such an event that happened to me personally, well.... I might handle it without sufficient maturity in Christ. I'd say real time to Matthew, "Do you notice your devils are manifesting right now?It is the Christ in me stirring up the devils in you.You must humble yourself, not to me, but to the Spirit of God and confess how far you actually from Him real-time, and how the knowledge of God’s spirit actually abiding in a real human that lives and breathes stirs you up.You are jealous, angry and confused by God’s spirit of truth abiding in another individual.This encounter proves much of the work at TBN is vanity, and so also are so many guests and hosts who know not God’s spirit of abiding at levels such as this."
And that would create fireworks and destruction. So God keeps me from such events, until I can be much, much more mature.
And of course, this sounds egotistical on my part, which it would be.Such an event must necessarily be handled without ego.Christ did it continually in his confrontations with scribes, Pharisees, lawyers and leaders.He openly acknowledged His Father and God’s Spirit living in Him, which stirred up devils in the devilish people; but love in the humble.He said His Father was the Father of truth; whereas the father of the pretending-to-be-good people was Satan.
Methinks it is time to witness such events on earth again, where things are so clear!In Revelation it says people overcame evil by their witness and the blood of the Lamb.Worldwide, people need to see this witness and how it confirms truth (it would confirm the Spirit of God in Akiane Kramaric and salute her work and that of her father and her family in support of Akiane) and how it denies lies (it would confirm that the TBM family of ministers and hosts are much blended with Satan and God, depending on the moment.)
Until then...
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
P.S. I'd like to do something creative regarding the issue of the Wall Street meltdown... Pray for me. Thanks!
10/11/08
I Am the Remnant
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/10/08
(II Cor. 2:15-16)
I am the remnant, and to you maybe,
I look like hell,
I am the remnant, and to you maybe,
I also smell.
Yes, Paul talked about it, how you might,
See and smell in reverse,
My job on earth might be to turn you about,
To change your life’s course.
But perhaps you don’t see it at all that way,
No, you’ll not listen to me!
If you don’t self-critique and you’re rigid,
No, you’ll see it differently!
You’ll kick me out of your lovely church,
For not going along,
With dishonor to Father God, His Spirit,
And His Holy Son.
If you worship weakness, if you worship fear,
If you worship even greed,
Your doxies are out of whack.In emotion,
You fill your church need.
If you lift a scripture here, if you lift one there,
Never mind your spirit,
If I say, Look at your behavior! Well then,
You really won’t hear it.
If I say, Look at the ancient paths they,
Didn’t have this stuff,
Then you’ll show how to be strong,
And be quite tough.
You’ll justify doing what you can to silence me,
Anything expedient really,
So you can go back to loving each other again,
No nice and touchy feely.
And you’ll forget that ugly, stinky remnant man,
Who bothered your soul,
But I hope and I pray you remember me in time,
And not in hell’s hole.
Playing at church is not a good game,
For well educated people,
Satan simply puts his wolves in charge,
Making meal of sheeple.
You think I’m way too rough, I don’t have love,
I’m too much to bear,
Brothers, sisters wake up!You’re being devoured,
The lion has left his lair.
Still, you say it’s really too much to honestly take,
Little you think you lack,
Okay.Farewell!But are you sure you’re blessed,
By giving me your back?
Your pastors have told you, In That Day,
Deception would be high,
Then they sell you crazy thoughts, easy ways,
Making God not neigh.
I come along with cogent truth, Father’s doctrines,
For God’s indwelling help,
Your leaders say I’m like anti-christ himself, or
Perhaps his evil whelp.
Read your Bibles, brothers and sisters, not your,
TV leader’s next new book,
If you want to truly see and discover the times,
In holy ancient paths look.
Then you might discover to your surprise,
By golly,
That ugly, stinky remnant man had truth,
Not folly.
Then that cursed stink and look you have seen on me,
Will transform somehow,
From looking better remnant man to former friends,
You see in the ditch now.
I am the remnant, maybe you too, but others might,
Say we look like hell,
I am the remnant, maybe you too, but others might,
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba (Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa,)
Hope you like these poems. Over time, these poems allow people to grasp the heretofore "very difficult concepts of doctrines in religion."
Now, with these poems... The concepts become as familiar as the family pet, an item you buy from a street vendor, or a song everybody knows. Also, these poems are sharply critical, in a mockingly funny kind of way, of bad doctrines.
Hopefully, this is familiarizing the readers to topics vital to a good Christian life, yet never hardly ever mentioned by self-absorbed, low-level, TV-taught preachers who either sell greed through prosperity dogma or fear through rapture dogma... preachers who themselves hardly understand what they are doing, don't have the maturity to cogently discuss doctrines, or the humility to see when they are wrong.
So, perhaps much is being accomplished through these poems.
God willing, someday the poems might make a great book! And I thank you for your prayers.
It is the door that is open to me, and I give you credit, and all in Bungoma who pray for me, and the saints in heaven too!
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, NevadaUSA
775-690-7293
P.S.Suddenly, it is getting cold here in Reno!We might get a little snow in the next few days, with a lot of snow in the nearby mountains!(Soon, I'll be hiking Mt. Rose in the snow with my dogs, Ruby and Virginia!)
10/10/08
Don’t
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/9/08
Don’t cheat the heart of a country western singer,
Don’t preach seed faith shenanigans to a widow,
Your life will be a top country song ringer,
Or you will repent of get-giving sorrow.
Don’t lust after your neighbor’s wife,
Don’t preach about rapture’s fear,
A husband might take your life,
Or God might end your career.
Don’t do what always doesn’t work,
Don’t preach jabberwocky stew,
People will think you’re a jerk,
Or God will embarrass you.
Don’t hate correction coming from others,
Don’t preach, Wave high that check!
God knows how to blow covers,
Or let pride be our wreck.
Don’t be rigidly righteous about anything,
Don’t preach mad, proud or bombastic,
God is a surprisingly flexible king,
In humility is the fantastic.
Don’t think much too highly about yourself,
Don’t preach just from one Bible verse,
God puts us high or low on the shelf,
Let Him choose to bless or curse.
Don’t ever think that you know it all,
Or preach that you can’t be wrong,
God lets pride cause our fall,
In humility we are strong.
Don’t run like a darn fool with the herd over the cliff,
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba (Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa,)
Greetings in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Well, all hell keeps busting loose financially in my business and personal affairs.Maybe God is shaking out the cobwebs.Maybe it's how He makes things better.
Surely, the ways of God are mysterious.
Today's poem is taking a new track.It deals with Eternal Security, something the In That Day Teachings say is not true.
Now, you know of course, Catholic doxie is very much opposed to Eternal Security.In this, the Catholics are right. Catholics believe that for salvation to be successful (i.e. to get into heaven,) individuals must be willing, active instruments of God’s way and will during life.
They are right, of course.
The "love-mush" church of disconnection with God, however, very much believes in Eternal Security. They believe doing nothing is fine, so long as you say with your mouth something good about Christ.They say, in effect, “Faith without works is life!”
They are wrong, of course.
My poem deals with the question of exceptions to the rule.Yes, there is no eternal security.But there are usually exceptions to the rule, no?So this poem deals with exceptions to the rule.
The problem appears to be that the rule-makers, the doxie makers of Protestant religion, made the exception the rule!(And me-thinks for their own advantage, namely gathering sheep by preaching an easy-on-the-ears gospel.)
Do you follow this, Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa?
In maturity, we realize "There are no rules" or stated differently, "There is an exception to every rule."So how does this apply to Eternal Security?
My poem deals with this.
Keep up the faith, my brother!We shall see each other again!
Thank you for this interesting YouTube referral. I sent it to my family.
Have you noticed, the Wall Street meltdown seems to foreshadow a televangelism meltdown of sorts?
Lots of denial in both places. Also, a lot of seers are being ignored and dishonored.
I see a growing awareness and abhorrence of fundamental escapist preaching and its ever-attendant decadent abuse by empowered ministers of global evangelism, who see neither their brazen hyopocrisy nor their underlying false doxies that drive them into implosive self-destruction.
I just thank God for the internet, and truth aggregation sites!Long may they live in God’s truth and favor!
Also, I keep thinking November 5, 2008 will be a big day perhaps. The day AFTER the presidential elections. The exact one-year anniversary of US Senator Chuck Grassley's original letters of inquiry to six famous televangelists.
If I was a betting man, I'd say the hammer of Thor is likely to come down hard.The recalcitrant will be subpoenaed.It will be a rather inglorious time for the seed faith doxie dogs.Will anything bring repentance to the “give-to-me-to-get-God-to-give-to-you” high fliers (both in jet and in ego) of self-interest ministry?
What are your thoughts?
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
RE:
We are being told that "deregulation" caused the problem. Is that right? A shocking video is circulating on the Internet by NakedEmperorNews.com showing Congressman Barney Frank and others chastising regulators and insisting that safety and soundness was not an issue at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Today it is painfully clear that there were major problems indeed. You might remember Congressman Barney Frank. He is the one that worked closely with Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernake to fast track the Wall Street banker bailout.
Now this is a really interesting e-mail.(Spiritual Drunkeness and False Revival)
For four years I have said more or less the same thing (but not so cogently.)
The call is back to orthodoxy, by whatever means possible.
But the investment in error is in, perhaps, hundreds of billions of dollars if not a trillion or two or three.
We have seen the enemy, and it is us! (To steal a proverb. And yes, we'd do well to be somewhat humble.)
George, when I visit these charismatic assemblies or view them by video, I can no longer go along and endorse the spirits they are of.
Nevertheless, a lot of people get healed of mostly non-serious things but sometimes also serious things.
The issue is conflicted in that sense. People with perhaps whacky faith achieve much.
But not much in truth.
That's the problem, isn't it?
Truth is the first baby that was thrown out with the bath water.
And they are too stinking proud to admit it.
And we sometimes are too stinking angry to be useful to God in helping achieve correction.
So, the issue has been stuck in the ditch for a long, long time.
But truth has been aggregating itself in a powerful fashion on the internet.
The internet is able, I believe, to conquer evil regimes of entire nations. Can it not also take down the wayward leaders of the wayward church?
Of course it can. Of course it can, and it will. It's happening even now.
We just need to be patient, in truth, and stay in the pocket of God.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
P.S.Anybody notice these poems are telling a story?Perhaps a or the revival story?
The Sickness Unto Death:
Spiritual Drunkenness and False Revival
These people are drunk but not with wine, they stagger but not by strong drink …” —ISAIAH 29:9
(From an internet e-mail) WHAT we are seeing in the so-called Lakeland revival, did not come like “a rushing mighty wind” out of heaven (cf. Acts 2:2). Rather it is the direct result of several “streams“ that have converged over the last twenty years. The roots of Todd Bentley’s experience-based revival, are manifold. They include the Kansas City Prophets of the late 1980s and early nineties, John Wimber’s Vineyard movement, South African evangelist Rodney Howard-Browne, the Toronto Blessing, and the subsequent Pensacola Revival which led directly to Lakeland Florida and Todd Bentley. A major common denominator, which runs through all of these streams, is an emphasis on an experience called spiritual drunkenness!
There can be no denying that Bentley is a direct result of the so-called Kansas City Prophets. He himself defers directly to two of these prophets openly, in spite of the moral collapses of both of them. Bentley calls Bob Jones a mentor, and a seer. Jones had to leave the ministry after having to confess to using his prophetic office to disrobe women. But to Bentley, Jones is a spiritual father. It was Jones’ teaching that encouraged false prophecies in the church by encouraging “young prophets” that they need not be 100% accurate, and that it was a good thing that the accuracy was so low, otherwise there would be a whole lot of Ananiases and Saphirras!
Another highly esteemed “prophet” by Bentley is Paul Cain—the one time protégé of false prophet William Branham. Branham believed that the doctrine of the Trinity was “of the devil” and that the zodiac was as reliable a guide as the Bible. But Bentley’s mentor Cain regards Branham as the “greatest prophet of the twentieth century”. Cain’s teaching on Joel’s army, being a mighty end time army of Christians taking dominion, put into words the hope of the Dominionistic “Great Endtimes Revival” heresy that many have been awaiting for some time. But Cain also was temporarily defrocked because of a sex and alcohol scandal.
Rodney Howard-Browne, a South African evangelist was the primary one who extracted out of the Joel’s army teaching, the experience of spiritual drunkenness. Doesn’t Joel tell us that there will be “new wine”? Didn’t Peter use the Joel text on the day of Pentecost? And when they all began to speak in tongues, didn’t the mockers accuse them of being drunk on “new wine”? Out of these inferences and faulty interpretations emerged the so-called “Laughing Revival” which spread around the world. Rodney Howard-Browne ministered so much spiritual drunkenness, he dubbed himself “God’s Bartender” and he called places where he would “minister”, “Joel’s place”.
These meetings popularised the irreverence, hilarity, madness, and irrationality as being “a genuine revival”, or “a great move of God”. Sermons on Hell, were interrupted by hysterical laughter; ministers were put into trance states and never taken out of them; preachers began boasting that they never had to preach anymore; and Rodney and his imitators would open services with “have another drink”!
What were Toronto and Pensacola all about? They were both a direct result of the ministry of Rodney Howard-Browne—they too were permeated with drunkenness. Ministers staggering around, slurred speech, ridicule of scripture. (I saw a film of a service by a bleary eyed, dishevelled Englishman named John Scotland, who motioned to an open Bible on a pulpit and slurred “I’ll get to that yet for those of you who are still into it”.) Yet there were thousands of people who flocked to the meetings, and for what? To participate in spiritual drunkenness!
Now we have come to the current crisis within Evangelical and Pentecostal churches. At a time when the apostles called for utter sobriety, clear thinking, and sound doctrine, instead thousands flock to Lakeland to “get it” and “bring it back to their own church”. (By the way, “it” couldn’t possibly be the Holy Spirit, who is the divine person, and cannot be transported or imparted at will!) Where is “it” taking us—this defection, this apostasy? Certainly out of usefulness to our Lord, who warned us of:
that evil servant who shall say in his heart “My Lord delays his coming” and shall then beat his fellow servants (Have you seen Bentley’s violent approach?) and eat and drink with the drunken (Matthew 24).
Could this madness go any further? Well, yes as a matter of fact it could. There is a group called the New Mystics headed by an evangelist named John Crowder. He takes the “drunkenness” experience to the next level. His “drunken glory tours”, yes that is what he calls them, received into churches all over America and the world, induct backslidden or fraudulent Christians into mystical experiences such as stigmata, bilocation (a sorcerer’s term for being in two locations at once), third heaven visitation, etc, etc, etc! All the while administering the next level of spiritual drunkenness, ”toking1 on the glory”, in other words getting high on the presence of God. He stands up in front of his congregations and pretends to suck on a marijuana cigarette, (an imaginary one) which he blasphemously calls “baby Jesus”. He is releasing an album of music, which is entitled (blasphemously, again) “Toke1 the Ghost”!
My point is not to titillate or intrigue with the latest crazy spiritual fad. I see something very ominous in all of this. I believe that spiritual drunkenness is more than zany antics. I don’t believe it is mere histrionics. Spiritual drunkenness is mentioned in the Bible as being a judgment of God:
Pause and wonder! Blind yourselves and be blind! They are drunk, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with intoxicating drink. For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads, namely, the seers. The whole vision has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, “Read this, please.” And he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.“ Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, “Read this, please”. And he says, “I am not literate”. Therefore the LORD said: “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men” (Isaiah 29:9-13 NKJV).
I see in the antics of Howard-Browne, Bentley, the new so-called “prophets”, and all who either participate or support such a move a portent of a terrible judgment. The Book closed and sealed? Illiterates in the pulpits? Can you see that this warning is happening before our very eyes!
For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17).
The judgment involves loss of discernment, and usefulness, in some cases loss of family, ministry, and relevance to this perishing generation, and in many cases, loss of saving faith itself! It is not too late to turn, but it will take humility! How do you admit it was all wrong after so much investment, (you went on trips to the revival, you staggered in front of crowds of people, etc)?
If you just humble yourself, admit you were wrong and go back to an orthodox, Bible based, God centered fellowship, perhaps this sickness will not be unto death, but to the glory of the forgiving God, who says,
And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart (Jeremiah 29:13).
About the Auth
BILL RANDLES came out of the Word of Faith Movement and is the founder and pastor of Believers in Grace Fellowship in Marion, Iowa which has been in existence since 1982. He is the author of 4 books: Making War in the Heavenlies, Weighed & Found Wanting, Beware the New Prophets, and Mending the Nets. He has travelled to Nigeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe, England, Australia, New Zealand, India, Russia and the Philippines preaching the gospel and contending for the faith that has been delivered to the saints. He and his wife, Kristin, have 6 children and 9 grandchildren. Bill will be doing a ministry tour of Australia—September 12 to 27 and is one of the speakers at the CWM Conference 21–27 September 2008.
(The above was written not by rwb, but from an internet e-mailing sent to the ITDT.)
10/7/08
Step Aside
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/7/08
Once I watched a billionaire Christian TV preacher true,
Explain to all that “poor and humble” just won’t do,
I asked him, Was he not surely letting in pride?
He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I watched the world’s most famous healing man,
Reach for a Five Star glamour life as much as he can,
I asked him, Wasn’t he taking donors for a ride?
He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw a famous evangelist at his megalopolis event,
With almost every Christian mark conspicuously absent,
I asked him, This switch bait tactic, you don’t deride?
He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw the big family of the biggest Christian network,
Where entertainment was the king and truth had to lurk,
I asked them, Must in ways of the world you confide?
They looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw Christian ministries broadcasting by the dozen,
Each similarly compromised, almost like a witch coven,
I asked them, How can you in falseness have relied?
They looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw striving preachers in developing countries remote,
Where corruption has always had their sheep by the throat,
I asked them, These broadcasters, you see they have lied?
They looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I said, Woe is me, I am the Spirit of Truth defied,
Who believes in me truly?Who’ll stand by my side?
The remnant, God’s seers, whom to self have died,
Looked me in the eye and said, We abide.
Then I saw the great remnant rising up to stoically restore,
Me, the Spirit of Truth, back in God’s people once more,
I asked them, Against darkness how turn you the tide?
They looked Me in the eye and said, We abide.
Now, the answer to most problems is more maturity,
And with My Spirit of Truth lives calm surety,
Will you buy the easy Christian way cried?
Will you, like them, tell Me, Step aside?
For on that great day when the last saints go marching in,
And We decide just who is without and who is within,
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba, (Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa)
Thank you for your kind e-mails.They mean the world to me.
Write to me your thoughts, your cares, your desires, your prayers.
Today's poem, "Step Aside," seems very powerful to me.I hope you like it.It mentions a little bit about your situation, a preacher in a developing country, who is exposed, like everybody just about in Christianity is exposed, to the American Wayward Preaching Machine.
You know the Bible, and you know it quite well.
However, it is damnably difficult (excuse the French!) to parse out the egregious lies and sins that the American Wayward Preaching Machine packs into their wayward gospel.
And so I visited you last July, to possible help return you and your followers.... back to the Bible, back to Jeremiah 6:16's "ancient paths," "where the good way is," and help you to "walk in it."But as you know, the last part of that verse has the people's reply: "We will not walk in it."
So, do not be surprised if some of your pastors and congregation must have the rapture (fear in religion) or must have prosperity preaching (greed in religion.)
In a way, God allows these false paths to exist to let us experience high beguiling deception with "wayward fanatic faith" of, for example, the Word of Faith crazies, so that some later day in greater maturity, we might understand true faith.
True faith is doing something we don't want to do, as Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son.Wayward fanatic faith of the Word of Faith crazies, for example, is sneakily self-serving; i.e. Give a HUGE donation to a minister to hopefully receive a HUGER blessing.(What a selfish bet!)
Now, some people can argue faith until Jesus Comes!(Actually, this is a bitter jest.Jesus can't come until people stop arguing.Jesus cannot abide in the spirit of arguing!)
Anyway, back to the subject of arguing, and arguing about faith.I find such debates to be useless and draining.If someone wants to believe in fanatic faith about a loony desire... (for example, I desire a fleet of 737 Boeing Jets.That's a loony desire, God doesn't want me to have such a fleet.It would bankrupt me!).. But as I say, If someone wants to believe in fanatic faith about a loony desire... let them!
Later they might learn a more mature teaching about faith... Which is... Believe in faith for what God wants you to believe in faith, not a whit more.First, one's own two-way radio must be working with God, then second, we believe for what God wants us to believe for.
Now there is one big problem with letting people go ahead and believe in loony, fanatic faith.That is... for false shepherd, they can put themselves into a weird position... where it seems to work perfectly for them!
False shepherds can sell the lie "Give to me to get from God," which people then do.The false shepherd then has to live with his ill-gotten money (received under the banner of a lie from hell, not cleanly received because it was not cleanly given."
How do false shepherds live will ill-gotten money?By crucifying their consciences, actually by crucifying the spirit of correction, which is the spirit of truth, which is the Holy Spirit, which is God in them.
So how do false shepherds live with ill-gotten money?By inflicting the abomination of desolation upon themselves, upon their own souls.Thus, they live in seclusion.Thus, their only friends are preachers similarly soul-crucified and damned.
So how do false shepherds live with ill-gotten money?They spend part of it on seemingly good things, as a way to compensate.They broadcast their sermons.They buy a jet and go some place far to preach their sermons.They develop huge flocks of deceived listeners.They endeavor to create disciples seven times the devil than themselves.They compensate, compensate, … because their sin is great.
Pastor Benjamin, perhaps these words will help your preachers decide.
Beware popularity for popularity's sake.Jesus was not always popular, but He always was and always is and always will be True.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, NevadaUSA
775-690-7293 cell
10/6/08
Who Killed the Christ?
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/6/08
Who killed the Christ,
Not two-thousand years ago,
But who killed the Christ,
On the Christian TV show?
Rich preachers ask the poor for money,
Making the rich more rich,
That’s nothing but an example of the blind,
Leading others to ditch.
Christ bearers are meek, humble and transparent,
Not greedy and proud,
Since when does big hair, gold watches and rings,
Manifest God’s shroud?
Preachers will talk about other organizational sin,
Like Wall Street’s meltdown,
And never mention once their own financial darkness,
To which God gives frown.
When ministry leaders interview sycophant guests,
On their product show,
It’s never for correction, but approval of all they do,
And book sales to go.
TV ministry leaders just seem too self-occupied,
To of anything repent,
Boasting and bragging so much they don’t wonder,
Where Jesus Christ went.
For fifty years the televangelists,
Have shunned all correction,
Now to preserve by all means power,
Is their gospel connection.
God is supremely flexible, they infinitely rigid,
Now then, what is more mature,
Fixed rules helping elites, or guidelines for all?
It's interesting the hodge-podge of doctrines in Christian broadcast/internet video.
Most popular is an amalgamation of Prosperity, Rapture, Dominion, Third Wave, Emotionalism, Stage Hypnotist Crowd/Mind Control, Stupid Intellectualism, Lack of Perspective Preaching, Prophetic Jabberwocky and a lot of weird gobbedly-goop.
This is sneaky stuff!
This world broadcast system, as typified by Trinity Broadcasting Network, is behind the rest of the world (i.e. politics, business, military, entertainment, sports, news, medicine, technology, science, etc.) when it comes to financial transparency, correction, self-critique, openness to questions from the public, access by letter, access by phone, access by e-mail, access by office visit, access in public, response to criticism, history of self-correction, apologies for mistakes, peers across professions, membership in accountability oversight groups, and so on.
Bottom line, the broadcast Christian world operates in a weird fringe of unaccountability and seclusion.It has a record of being unable to correct itself for the last fifty years.Its organizational operation as seen as a whole, is so egregiously non-corrective that it is bound to make massive, horrendous mistakes.And it does.
Methinks the way back to sanity is orthodox religion, which didn't and doesn't believe such wrong doctrines or mind-control shenanigans. However, the orthodox religion environment isn't too friendly to the Holy Spirit, it seems.
So how does the church get back to orthodoxy without hatred of the Holy Spirit?
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
P.S.Subpoenas a’Coming?We’re about a month away from 11/5/08, the day after the election… and the anniversary of US Senator Charles Grassley’s letters of inquiry into the mega-opaque finances of the mega-ministry six, of which three have been obviously recalcitrant:Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar and Eddie Long.
10/4/08
To Which We Say, Hear!Hear!
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/3/08
Each week I go down to my local dive,
My friends gather near,
We like to celebrate each Friday night,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
We’re all pastors, men of the cloth,
But denominations we fear,
We’re rather independent Christian leaders,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
We shun oversight and correction,
At rebuke we leer,
We’re too mature to be imperfect,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
One says, Hardy-har! My brothers,
I’m buying the beer,
With my widows’ mite donations!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Another says, I’ll top that, maties,
At the red light house near,
We shall all go on credit but not pay!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Another says, Is there anything, friends,
We wouldn’t do insincere?
One said, We ask the poor to make us rich!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Thank God for TV broadcasting, he said,
Where our eye is queer,
Behold, what uncorrected broadcast can do!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
I bought a twenty million dollar personal jet,
Says one, Ooh that’s dear!
Another says, I got a mega-million parsonage!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
I’m a stage show hypnotist!I’m a mind controller!
Our congregation we jeer.
I sired a son, our new pastor, by my brother’s wife!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Nothing stops us from spiritual and literal adultery,
We do it with whatever’s near,
Nothing on earth really stops us from doing anything!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
We all love each other so much,
When we leave we shall shed a tear,
We really can’t brag about each other enough,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Now we’re drunk and stumbling unable to tell,
Just which is front or rear,
Our tables are full of our own vomit,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Before we pass out in heavenly depravity,
Or the police come in riot gear,
We salute all escapology doxie enabling us,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
We love eternal security, we love the rapture,
We love Jesus to appear,
Some day in the sky to reward our good works,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Those escapist doxies let us do anything,
Even abomination is dear,
We’re desolate of God, truth and all honor,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
We believe Trickster-knowledgy Dominion Theology,
With governments second tier,
So our carnal appetites will rule the world with Christ!
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
We whoop and holler when the band plays our song,
A country classic premier:
“We’re All Here ‘Cause Our Doxie’s Not All There!”
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Yes, betcha’ didn’t know that your pastors,
Would from heaven so downward veer,
Come believe with us nothing much matters,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
That’s why we need so much money,
For consciences to sear,
It takes much propaganda to make lies the truth,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Come join us, never mind doctrinal verity,
Look in the filthy bar mirror,
Be in with the in crowd, be loud and proud,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
My God, is it really that bad, you ask,
Can you believe your ear?
We think anything and live with our thoughts,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
An unexamined life is really not worth the living,
But such truth we smear,
We smear all truths and exalt all convenient lies,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
This is too clever, too unseen, to hidden, you say,
For Christian believers mere,
Anti-christ leaders parade as being Christ everywhere,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
But no party lasts forever, and one day judgment,
Will come from a peer,
You might ask us, Deep in our souls, did we know?
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
You, as inquisitor, just might ask for explanation,
You’ll ask, Did for many a year,
We go along and get along with all damn things?
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
You’ll say, Then this explains much: Why there,
Often was imploding career,
You never fixed your own doxies or bad spirits,
To which we say, Hear! Hear!
Later, you will look for the likes of us in heaven,
A place that we now cheer,
You’ll ask if we’re not in heaven, are we in hell?
You and I share a concern that the Lakeland fiasco with Todd Bentley is a lesson lost to the prophetic jabberwocky crowd. How they are so blind to their hubris is an interesting phenomenon.
Also it is interesting how the rest of the body of Christ seems to be profoundly yawning about all this.
But there is a section in the Bible where God asks his angel to mark everyone that cares about the perversion going on in religion, who has cried out in agony and prayer, asking God the foul situation needs remedy. Apparently, God appreciates (if no one else does) those who care about His church!
Have you been enjoying my poems of late? I thank God for them. I hope they continue. Hope a lot of people read them and absorb the truths therein!
As for your questions: Should we call fire down on the miscreants? Personally, I have to avoid going into that spirit, because when I do (and I have), God does not show up. Then I have to repent of being of the wrong spirit.
When in the past I have overtly asked God to curse some lout in the ministry, the reply I get from God often has been something like, “Don't you think he (or she) has cursed himself (or herself) enough?”
The answer to that question is obvious. Yes, they have cursed themselves sufficient unto the task. To be egregiously wrong in ministry leadership, is to be mightily cursed. So in the department of calling down fire on such, they are doing a better job of it on themselves than I could ever do.
The problem is our time perspective. We want them to be soon out of time. Perhaps in God's perspective, that happened long ago but still for some reason there is temporary mercy. Then suddenly there is for them no more mercy.
So I have to be patient.
Another question: Do I believe a good prophet never is sorry for what he has said? Well, here is what I understand about that kind of reasoning.
First, people who will always disbelieve a prophetic utterance will apply a "FIXED RULE" wherein every utterance ever said by that individual must be "TOTALLY PERFECT," at such a high and ridiculous standard, that the disbeliever will always disbelieve everything.
Second, the answer to this low-level thinking is that a) the height of maturity is to seek correction by all means and b) there is an exception to every rule or stated differently, there are no rules only guidelines.
Third, then we come to understand the difference between high levels of perfection or maturity (which means a person can operate with a useful record of near but not total perfection or maturity, hence that person must necessarily always have SOMETHING to recant, minor though it be.)
Fourth, we see where this is backed up in the Bible. John the Baptist, who Jesus said was the best prophet, later was in prison and lost faith as to who cousin Jesus was. Jesus said, Blessed are they who are not offended in me. Jesus forgave John the Baptist for his condition.
Fifth, we in maturity must likewise learn how to discern and deal with prophets. Almost all the time they are indeed correct, but even the undisputed best of them (like John the Baptist) can make a huge mistake (like denying Christ.)
Thanks for your input.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
10/2/08
The Endless Loop
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 10/1/08
A Dog knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s a Dog that chases…
Its own tail!
A Rich Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s a Rich Preacher asking money…
From poor people!
An Intellectual Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s an Intellectual Preacher who…
Parses something down to nothing!
An About Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s an About Preacher who talks about Christ…
Without ever manifesting Christ!
A Rapture Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s a Rapture Preacher who says the Rapture is coming…
Not today, but some day very soon!
An Apostolic Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s an Apostolic Preacher who…
Speaks jabberwocky but says nothing new!
A Prophetic Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s a Prophetic Preacher who says something big is coming…
Not today, but some day very soon!
An Infantile Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s an Infantile Preacher who speaks condescendingly as though…
He was speaking to developmentally challenged infants!
An Immature Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s an Immature Preacher who never met a more mature person…
And never will!
An Uncorrectable Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s an Uncorrectable Preacher who says all critique of himself…Is from beguilers with a religious spirit from Satan!
A Seeing Preacher knows what…
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
An endless loop is,
It’s a Seeing Preacher who warns his sheep about…
Wolves in sheep’s clothing with endless loop wiles!
PastorBenjamin Wamalwa Khaemba of Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa,
God gives me the brains and the spirit to see many things in the popular church, many things that are wrong. Yet I cannot say in truth that my personal life is right. I suffer, we all suffer.
I wish I had a lot of money to send you.
I wonder if anybody will ever send me money for the four years of truth (with some error) I've put together with the In That Day Teachings.
I wonder... how much error is in my work?
Yet, if I have much error, why am I so often proved correct in the huge, embarrassing incidences now happening to the uncorrected popular church?
In other words, God has made me apparently true and correct in warning of troubles in the popular church. I even go so far as believing God has given me correct repairs for the wayward popular church. And God has allowed me four years of general work that keeps proving itself true.
But apparently, the work is lost to the minds of people who peruse the internet.
Honestly pastor, I thank God for you. You noticed. Alone, you noticed! And you who know the Bible so well, you see truth in the teachings because you see they are backed up by the Bible. (But I am always open to correction. Every work has its errors!)
Others simply peruse the truth of the In That Day Teachings, and apparently could care less. Most other website bloggers who critique the wayward popular church, do so with a lot of venom and very little solution.
My work does indeed contain too much venom! And I repent of it. Nevertheless, my work seems to stand alone because it has solution! And the outline is as follows:
1) The popular church is often quite wayward in doctrinal truth and doctrinal spirit.
2) The wayward doctrines include prosperity, rapture, jabberwocky prophetic, emotionalism, witchcraft-dominion control, intellectual ingenuity, infantilism, etc.
3) The wayward church leadership must massively repent of using these wiles to control souls and capture power, position and monies.
4) This repentance would enable removal of embedded demons in leadership souls.
5) This repentance would enable removal of "foundational lies" in leadership souls.
6) This repentance would enable infilling of correct doctrines (truths) and God's spirits.
7) Upon reset of correct truth and spirit, the church advances to greater incremental indwelling of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
8) Leadership will grow in maturity by understanding the need to honor the Christ indwelt, which takes humility.The importance of honoring others in Christ cannot be overstated.This is the key.
9) This is the Millennium of Christ indwelt-ness unto maturity, wherein all things are possible.
10) The more fully indwelt of God will have these things popular church leadership now typically doesn't:
a) Transparent finances, transparent lives, transparent everything (holiness)
b) Great, abiding and astonishing flexibility in all things.
c) Total control of anger, lust, greed, self-love and other elementary carnal desires.
d) Hunger for continued, un-ending self-critique and correction.
e) Hunger for continued, ever-increasing humility and self-effacement.
f) Inability to live with doctrines, people, leaders or anyone promulgating lies.
g) Great sight into wayward Christian shenanigans, sight which is immediate.
h) Great sight into the spirit realm and especially God's will in certain matters.
i) Great honor for those establishing the kingdom of God
j) Great revulsion against those pretending to establish the kingdom of God.
k) Simultaneous great turmoil and great peace surrounding such individuals.
l) Surprising ability to move quickly, decisively and even powerfully harsh.
m) Enough perspective to recognize rigid righteousness’ faults, and honor holy flexibility.
n) Surprising lack of waffling, indecision, equivocation and relativity.The truth is truth, period.
Well, I hope that doesn't sound too self-glorifying, because I’m not describing me, but the goal of good people.
As you full well know, to deeply embed truth in your soul's operations brings grief by the bucket! Almost everyone else is SHOCKED that by your example, almost everyone else is doing most of their soul's work in spirit and doctrine... wrong!When a greater Christian loves a lesser Christian, the lesser hates back!
But the saints know the saints. Thus, I am heartened to remember your saints in Bungoma loving me, and me them.
This is how it should be, and how it is.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada USA
775-690-7293 cell
10/1/08
Dear Friend,
Thank you for your encouraging words. I appreciate it.
You know, I hope the difference with my website teachings is that beyond the same criticism available at other sites, is a wonderful world of hope, resolution and restoration.
This is from understanding that truly, truly there are higher ways... ways in the Bible... ways that have been ignored... ways that can, in fact, be rediscovered.
What ways? Well, the higher line upon line and precept upon precepts of Isaiah 28.
What ways? The Colossians 1:26-27 verses of Paul, and many of Paul's other verses, where Paul says the absolute topmost and final mystery of God is Christ in you, indwelling at whatever level He can based upon whatever amount of true doctrine and true spirit you or I have incorporated in our spirit, body and soul... or mind, which is supposed to have the doctrines of Christ. This was Paul's way or ways.
What ways? The same indweltness Jesus had of our Father He described in John Chapters 14-17, is the same indweltness of Jesus in us, His disciples, that only was made possible by Jesus' death and resurrection.
So, it's as if modern Christianity stops short of ever scoring a run in baseball. Modern Christianity stops at first base, calls it a home run, but the empire (God Almighty Himself) says it isn't a home run until you go to bases 2, 3 and home plate. Nevertheless, you have huge empires of Christendom saying a run to first base is a home run. Since this is a big fat lie, and a lie unsupported by God Himself, the typical empires need a lot of reality distortion and they need it to be big.
Thus, the TBN family of broadcasters spend a HUGE sum to make the lie believable, to make fancy envy-me sets, to immerse people in propaganda doctrine (only propaganda needs such repeat immersion!) and they really outdo themselves in duplicative efforts.
So you have 24/7 programming, now multiple channels, programs repeated throughout the day, separate ministries that are simply clones of one another repeating the propaganda, simply a lot of dead-horse-beating going on.
And you are right, seers who can see this spiritually, are criticized by the First-Base-is-a-Home-Run Crowd as having a wicked and pernicious "Religious Spirit."
We get frustrated at their lack of seeing and we want to say, "Get dese bums outta here." But we must pray for their eventual awakening.
Now, if we are right as seers, they will have their awakening in the after life, when they learn all truth. (So will we, so will everybody. We'll learn how much truth we constituted into ourselves, and find our mandatory rewards or punishments. Thus, we must all fear God.)
Now the hardest thing of all to understand, is that each wayward ministry and ministry head must necessarily do some fair share of things right. But they focus on only this small portion of God in themselves. They keep calling First Base a Home Run.
When correction is presented to them, they think someone is trying to steal First Base from them. We aren't. They are legitimately on first base. But they don't have a clue about bases 2, 3 and home plate.
So they rebuke us, the seers!
And we need the patience of Job, neigh rather the patience of God Almighty Himself!
Some day the blind leaders on First Base will do what they've been needing to do for 50 years, which is to repent massively of calling First Base a Home Run. They will weep and weep and weep and weep.
After a tremendous amount of weeping, some of them can get to Home Plate. They will be sufficiently filled with more of Jesus.
But now the blindness is so great, the likes of Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner, Bill Johnson and crowd can't even see the elementary laws of the spirit realm, in which if you allow a pastor pierced, tattooed, and skull-imprint t-shirt wearing, baggy shorts-wearing to preach; you allow demons the right to manifest; if you dishonor God you honor Satan; if you honor God you dishonor Satan. Such elementary wisdom is unavailable to the highest prophetic leaders currently, because they have allowed themselves to operate in high deception. (What could they have been thinking to allow Bentley to present himself in such an un-presentable fashion?) (Similar deception is going on with prosperity preachers, who live in $10 million mansions, built by the widow's mite they collected under the banner of Christ, who loves widows and by that love protects them... and in justice reveals the horrid shenanigans of such wayward preachers... by exposing addresses and pictures of such mansions.)
So the highest of ministry leaders in television must repent, and repent massively.
Then, they can usher in that revival they've talked about for 50 years.
But not until they repent, not until they see.
Until that day, which is in fact, the biblical "In That Day," I remain...
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
It’s Hellacious to be in Hell
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 9/30/08
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
When I tithed so well,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
I gave love gifts as well.
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
With my TV leader I dwell,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
The one I loved so well.
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
This is some prosperity!
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
I can’t give-to-get free!
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Where a million TV partners dwell,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Who supported our man’s lie and sell.
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Because of our TV leader’s doctrine we die,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Each one of us loved and made his same lie.
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Avoid this place if you can,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Avoid the doctrines of man.
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
We were fooled by his TV stage sets so pretty,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
We now live in a place called Stage Set Sin City.
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
We loved our TV leader and his gorgeous wife,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Now we see their ugly spirits: Envy, greed and strife.
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
In this place of torment we have to see things just exactly as they are,
It’s hellacious to be in hell,
Alive we believed easy things; which makes our death in hell so hard.
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba, (In Bungoma, Western Kenya)
I want to be sure you understand my poems, which contain a lot of sarcastic humor.
The “I killed the Monkey on My Shoulder” poem is a parable kind of story of a preacher who chooses to preach wrong doctrines or of a wrong spirit (prosperity dogma or emotionalism or rapture and dispensational fear.)
The Holy Spirit tries to correct him. Over and over the Holy Spirit tries to correct him. (The Holy Spirit is the monkey.) Over and over again the preacher kills the spirit of correction within him, that still quiet voice of God.
God or the Holy Spirit lets this continue, until the preacher's character degrades further until his violence against correction is loathsomely wicked. At this point, the Holy Spirit leaves. (The monkey no longer resurrects himself.)
Being thoroughly and totally deceived, the preacher thinks he is getting ever closer to God. He convinces his congregation to follow him. But he is going to hell. He takes his congregation to hell.
He has become an excellent agent of Satan. The horribly wicked things that the Preacher does to the monkey without thinking he's doing anything wrong is a perfect picture of a millionaire or billionaire prosperity preacher and his flock.
So in this story, we are to cherish correction of the Holy Spirit, even if He seems to be a bothersome monkey on our shoulder sometimes. What we kill, actually, is the devils in us that hate correction from the Holy Spirit or any person, place or thing used by the Holy Spirit to correct us.
Letter to Matt Sorger, Dutch Sheets, Jane Hamon, Robert Stearns, Mark Snider,
Regarding "What is God saying to the Body of Christ in these Crucial Times?" as Matt Sorger has advertised his ministry's 10/30 - 11/1 conference, "this Special Apostolic & Prophetic Gatheringat a location just 50 miles from Wall Street, which has experienced a meltdown:
Will you, Dutch Sheets and Matt Sorger and Jane Hamon and Mark Snider, Robert Stearns,
Insist that each of your ministries, especially Matt Sorger's ministry, immediately pledge to full and transparent financial reporting on website and all donation request material?
This seems most proper and fitting, as you have announced yourselves to be worthy of charging money for this "Special Apostolic & Prophetic Gathering" clearly playing on the emotions of Wall Street's Financial Meltdown through the banner headline of MSM: “What is God Saying to the Body of Christ in These Crucial Times?"
If God -- through you who must necessarily be transparent -- isn't saying all ministries such as yours must ASAP model full financial transparency, then is God saying personally to you to continue to pander your convention leadership under a prophetic banner that ignores the obvious spotlight on financial opacity?
In other words, will you pledge yourself to cleaning the inside of your cup, and not just charging people to hear what you say is inside?
God bless you and the AOG. Did you know Bill Johnson of Bethel of the ordination of Todd Bentley... well, Johnson skipped out of oversight by the AOG? It's on the Bethel website. And it's probably not a good thing.
Actually, I received that a certain minister’s foundational lie is that as a minister his so-called duty is to give miracles to God, a miracle mandate, as it were.
This would be a good foundational lie to repent of and excise its attendant demons of deception. It might explain why some leaders were not able to see Bentley's spirits of alcoholism, lust and ministry shenanigans....
In maturity, we are to be flexible as Christ is flexible, having the same doctrine as Christ, able to hear and obey, which involves no fixed rule, like a supposed mandate to drum up miracles. A multipurpose tool is more useful, than let's say, a single purpose one. Thus Christ said, "Blessed are they who hear and obey My (rhema) voice [not stuck in a rut, not stuck in an endless loop of programming, not -- eventually by doing such -- quite evil in the name of God!]
And dear Pastor, if I went to submit to a pastor of a charismatic church, then I'd be giving up sight in the spiritual realm, no? My calling is NOT to give up sight, but to teach it... To mentor ministry maturity, something that is EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR.
For example, most charismatic churches rely on the rapture doctrine and its attendant dispensational fear. But rapture is a lie, and rapture BLINDS all who believe it from seeing much if anything of God's future.
I'd like to know as much as possible about God's future here on earth! Wouldn't you? Then why would I submit to a charismatic church that blinds its sheep about God's true future?
You see, the charismatic church teaches that doctrine isn't really important, so long as you believe unquestioningly their rather flaky doctrine, which ain't exactly found in truth in the Holy Bible.
But it is too, too much of a shocker for the charismatic church.... Well, it would have been fifty years ago. But now, after fifty years of fiasco iteration after fiasco iteration, God is hoping self-critique comes to the wayward , immature, stuck-in-a-vanity-loop charismatic church! Hallelujah!
Like I've said, NOBODY corrects a pastor.... NOT NOBODY. Each pastor in the charismatic realm operates as his own corrective prophet. AND, if any prophet is heralded, it is ONLY AN ENTERTAINMENT PROPHET, who has had his calling tweaked the way uncorrectable pastors want it. Now, that's entertainment!
Entertainment prophets are totally unbiblical, like SO MUCH of the charismatic go-along, get along church.
For example, Matt Sorger is having a BIG TO DO, another prophetic conference in Long Island. Anyway, the subject? What is God saying in the Financial Meltdowns?
Well, one thing he and the other entertaining prophets won't do... is say that God wants ministry finances transparent. NO, NO, NO, his ministries won't say that. 'Course not!
Of course, Matt Sorger's ministry has totally opaque finances. Real smart, there Matt!
So God reveals hidden shenanigans in the financial world, and the stupid prophetic ministry church wants to have a gala affair, and not correct its own copycat opaque ministry finances. Not learn a thing, and CHARGE PEOPLE MONEY to be likewise deceived!
This, I see. Probably not the two-thousand attendees.
You want me to join a non-seeing charismatic, non-corrected church? Not yet. Thanks for the spirit of well-wishing for me you have, that I appreciate.
And I also appreciate that you have lasted with me this long...
And... am I creating a new religion seven times worse than what it is supposed to correct? Hardly. Throughout my teachings I say I want no new church, simply to correct the wayward churches of Christ.
It is called the restoration of all things. That's what I want, and it involves no new churches, just helping correction along with the old ones. That's all. Simply truth.
So here are a few new poems.
The long one is long on purpose. The repetitions are on purpose. It is a heavy message, my brother...
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
9/29/08
I am a Man of the Cloth
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 9/28/08
I went to the convenience store,
To buy a Diet Envy-Me Coke,
And to get me a smoke,
A Golden Cancer Prosperity Cigar!
Funny thing was, the man said to me clear,
We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
No sir, We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
He says to me, We got a special:
One hundred percent off,
That means to you it’s for free!
Humble pie, cases and cases, piled to the sky,
That means it’s all you can eat!
I says to him, You got anything else?
He says, I got a box of Orthodox Soap.
You got to be kiddin’ man, that’s not for me!
Maybe it’d work on the Pope!
Nah, it ain’t for the Pope,
It’s for you, Man of the Cloth,
Now this guy’s giving me ministry!
He says, The pie and the soap,
It ain’t no joke,
Heaven hopes it’ll set you free.
I gets out of there fast,
I go to my friend,
My Everything’s Cool Christian Saint.
I says, Gimme a little bag,
No make it big, friend,
Of Lung Bustin’, Seeker Friendly Mary Jane!
Funny thing was, the man said to me clear,
We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
No sir, We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
He says to me, We got a special:
One hundred percent off,
That means to you it’s for free!
Humble pie, cases and cases, piled to the sky,
That means it’s all you can eat!
I says to him, You got anything else?
He says, I got a box of Orthodox Soap.
You got to be kiddin’ man, that’s not for me!
Maybe it’d work on the Pope!
Nah, it ain’t for the Pope,
It’s for you, Man of the Cloth,
Now this guy’s giving me ministry!
He says, The pie and the soap,
It ain’t no joke,
Heaven hopes it’ll set you free.
I gets out of there fast,
I go to my liquor store,
I says, Gimme a six pack,
No make it four,
Of Kick Me Rapture Fear Beer!
Funny thing was, the man said to me clear,
We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
No sir, We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
He says to me, We got a special:
One hundred percent off,
That means to you it’s for free!
Humble pie, cases and cases, piled to the sky,
That means it’s all you can eat!
I says to him, You got anything else?
He says, I got a box of Orthodox Soap.
You got to be kiddin’ man, that’s not for me!
Maybe it’d work on the Pope!
Nah, it ain’t for the Pope,
It’s for you, Man of the Cloth,
Now this guy’s giving me ministry!
He says, The pie and the soap,
It ain’t no joke,
Heaven hopes it’ll set you free.
I gets out of there fast,
I go to my natural food store,
I says, Gimme a big pot,
No make it two more,
Of Rainbow Prophecy Rat Stew!
Funny thing was, the man said to me clear,
We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
No sir, We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
He says to me, We got a special:
One hundred percent off,
That means to you it’s for free!
Humble pie, cases and cases, piled to the sky,
That means it’s all you can eat!
I says to him, You got anything else?
He says, I got a box of Orthodox Soap.
You got to be kiddin’ man, that’s not for me!
Maybe it’d work on the Pope!
Nah, it ain’t for the Pope,
It’s for you, Man of the Cloth,
Now this guy’s giving me ministry!
He says, The pie and the soap,
It ain’t no joke,
Heaven hopes it’ll set you free.
I gets out of there fast,
I go to my favorite bar,
I says, Gimme a glass,
No make it a jar,
Of Worship Weakness Praise Whiskey!
Funny thing was, the man said to me clear,
We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
No sir, We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
He says to me, We got a special:
One hundred percent off,
That means to you it’s for free!
Humble pie, cases and cases, piled to the sky,
That means it’s all you can eat!
I says to him, You got anything else?
He says, I got a box of Orthodox Soap.
You got to be kiddin’ man, that’s not for me!
Maybe it’d work on the Pope!
Nah, it ain’t for the Pope,
It’s for you, Man of the Cloth,
Now this guy’s giving me ministry!
He says, The pie and the soap,
It ain’t no joke,
Heaven hopes it’ll set you free.
I gets out of there fast,
I go to my pharmacy friend, Jim,
Jim lets me in,
Sees the shape I’m in,
And he says, I know,
I know what you need!
You need Jabberwocky Tizzy, or Emotional Ecstasy,
Or Mojo-Jive Talking Witchcraft Control LSD,
Or Patronizing Platitude-Laced Bubblegum Drops,
Or Intellectual Glue-Sniff, or Ego Pander Schnapps!
Funny thing was, the man said to me clear,
We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
No sir, We ain’t got none of that old stuff, you hear?
He says to me, We got a special:
One hundred percent off,
That means to you it’s for free!
Humble pie, cases and cases, piled to the sky,
That means it’s all you can eat!
I says to him, You got anything else?
He says, I got a box of Orthodox Soap.
You got to be kiddin’ man, that’s not for me!
Maybe it’d work on the Pope!
Nah, it ain’t for the Pope,
It’s for you, Man of the Cloth,
Now this guy’s giving me ministry!
He says, The pie and the soap,
It ain’t no joke,
Heaven hopes it’ll set you free.
I says,
I know what I’m immersed in,
I can’t let something else in,
No Humble Pie or Orthodox Soap.
That’s for petty dictators,
Mental abusers and sheep-rapers,
Bug off!I’m a Man of the Cloth!
With your pie and your soap,
You give me no hope,
You want me to watch what spirits I am of?
That’s never for me, it’s for you,
And for who I preach to,
Bug off!I’m a Man of the Cloth!
You eat your own Humble Pie,
Certainly not I,
And wash yourself with Orthodox Soap,
Deal with your inner demons, they are my only friends,
To: Pastor Bill Johnson (website contact e-mail) of Bethel Church,
Is a Foundational Lie something like this:
The highest goal of a preacher is to do miracles?Or...The highest goal of a preacher is to do prophecies?Or... The highest goal of a preacher is to do such and such?
Aren't these foundational lies, Pastor Johnson?
Isn't the goal of all of us to hear:"Well done, thy good and faithful servant!"And isn't that accomplished by hearing and obeying Jesus?
But if we make anything higher than God's mind on the subject, then it becomes a high tower indwelt with guarded demons who have right to make us do very stupid things... like back demonized individuals like Bentley:part saint/part sinner.
So Pastor Bill Johnson, what is your foundational lie?Have you made miracles your high tower?Is that the source of all wackiness and troubles?
9/26/08
Dear Pastor (of a Charismatic Church in the USA),
Yes... Thank you for your kind e-mails, and for the invitation to meet some time. That would be interesting. I will pray about the timing...
As for the fact I disparage Todd Bentley... This is true. And he is tremendously supported by well known ministries.
However, the "don't ever rebuke or chastise no one, not nobody, not no how" line of reasoning simply is not biblical. Jesus says He rebukes and chastises those He loves.
Well, you might say... Let Jesus do that, and don't allow ANY MAN EVER, EVER, EVER to rebuke or chastise anyone... not no one, not nobody, not no how, etc. unto eternity.(God forbid!That’s the problem!)
Well, I'm sounding too bitter. Forgive me. The point is, the charismatic church finds itself in the odd position of somehow having established an eleventh commandment: Don't correct us, EVER, EVER, EVER!!!
And this commandment has been in place for, oh say, fifty years at least?
Because, there is no correction mechanism for the wayward church.
Therefore, God had to allow what happened to Todd Bentley, as a wake up call.
But it isn't much of a wake up call, is it? (Unless you include the dramatic things of repentance that Dutch Sheets dared to write on his website, and the cogent things Lee Grady wrote at Charisma magazine.)
So, you can dismiss me... and say... WOW, bro you are SO judgmental...
Or you can ask, Gee, how did you know to write a warning letter to Rick Joyner on December 17, 2007 about Todd Bentley?
How did I perceive the spirits he was of? What has given me the sight to see that Bentley needed serious correction?
Why did I see this from Reno, when Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, Patricia King, Peter Wagner and others didn't see God clearly needed Bentley corrected ASAP?
Well, sight in the spiritual realm is based upon doctrines believed and put in practice.
I have nothing personally against Bentley. It would be fun meeting him.
Here's how it would go, I think. The wild and out of control spirits in him would want to know, do I see them? Yes, I do. Then fireworks. Meaning, a kind of spiritual confrontation, where his spirits would size up my spirits, as to which is stronger.
My guess: His spirits of out-of-controlness would be way stronger than my spirits of self-discipline. I would probably lose the spiritual engagement. I am not ready for such an encounter.
Now, this is basically what would be happening with Bill Johnson "mentoring" him back to restoration. Will the wrong spirits in Bentley that never were excised from his wild past ever actually get out of Bentley?
As for witchcraft... witches would see these out-of-control spirits in Bentley, as I saw them, and work them for increase of evil. I want such spirits out of Bentley, the witches -- and strangely enough the non-corrective church of wayward Christianity -- want to pretend such evil doesn't live in healing ministers like themselves, or Bentley, or anybody!
God is shining His big light on all this. What will the church do?
You know, the answer to almost every problem in life is maturity.
So, for example, with Bentley... a mature person simply does not minister with tattoos and piercings front, center and left (a BIG HIGHWAY SIGN showing Bentley's penetration by evil spirits.)
So... to continue... in maturity, Bentley needs to get rid of the tattoos and piercings ASAP. They give right for evil spirits to stay in him! Yes, that's right!
So Mr. Bentley has to choose, does he keep the tattoos, piercings and evil spirits? Or does he pay a price in maturity and never stick a ring in his flesh and never expose another tattoo to a ministry audience?
Another maturity is simply how we dress in ministry. Do we minister in dumbo shorts and skull and dragon T-shirt with floppy tennis shoes?
All this is a no-brainer, but the wayward charismatic church has lost its brains, as God's bible guarantees will happen to any wayward spiritual group of leaders.
So, getting back to maturity... Mr. Bentley would have to choose... If he continues in ministry, will he wear his Sunday finest to honor God and God's people... or is will it be a demonic emblazoned T-shirt (really, this is SO ELEMENTARY) and baggy shorts... which again, gives absolute spiritual rights to demons to stay indwelt and manifesting at a high level.
What will Mr. Bentley choose? What will his so-called helping "fathers of the faith" require of him? Will Bentley lose his inner-demons by true help of his betters, or will the whole problem be white-washed?
Finally, Mr. Bentley showed the typical puffy face and bloated belly of avarice, or gluttony or fleshliness unto adultery or alcoholism. Any professional in law enforcement, psychology, martial arts or military Special Forces could have told you by watching the grainiest version of a YouTube clip on the worst screen on the worst laptop on the planet.
But those up close, those in wayward charismatic leadership, those in charge... couldn't see the forest for the trees, because of the strong deception spirits in them and in Bentley.
So... Mr. Bentley would have to make a decision before ministering again... Will he lose a hundred pounds or so, stop drinking, stop fornicating, stop being an advertisement for sin?
Now, did Bentley heal? Yes. Did Bentley receive in the spirit realm? Yes. Did Bentley love God? Yes. Did Bentley have a calling? Yes.
But, for God's sakes, just look at his name.... Todd rhymes with odd. Bentley sounds like something bent to the left. God wants to know, who notices what is obvious?
All truth in the spiritual realm manifests itself in odd ways in the spiritual realm. All lies also manifest themselves in the spiritual realm.
Sure, perhaps I've taken this too far. Maybe not. (How about Jack van Impe, that little devil of a dispensationalist! Ha. Or how about Chuck Missler, that misleading dispensationalist! Or how about that Benny Hinn, who employs stage hypnotism far beyond the famous British jokester comic, Benny Hill. Or Creflo Dollar, that mammon worshipping prosperity preacher.)
The name is the nature: a truth from the Bible. But need Bentley change his name? No, he must change his nature, the spirits that he is of.
We worship God in spirit and truth. Bentley is one hell of an example of getting that wrong.
I pray and I hope he, and all in the wayward charismatic church, get it right; that he, they and we and especially I, myself, can learn to worship God in spirit and truth.
Amen.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
Jesus Flies Within You
By Robert Winkler Burke
Of inthatdayteachings.com
Copyright 9/26/08
Jesus flies within you,
That’s how He likes to be
Jesus flies within you,
It’s hard for some to see.
Jesus smiles within you,
When, in you, others see His face,
Jesus smiles within you,
Regardless of your race or place.
Jesus dies within you,
When you are proud,
Jesus dies within you,
When you brag aloud.
Jesus heals within you,
When you say you were wrong,
Jesus heals within you,
When your humility is strong.
Jesus moves within you,
When you’re not like a stiff, dead tree,
Jesus moves within you,
When you’re flexible as can be.
Jesus moves out,
When you say to Him, No!
Jesus moves out,
When you must have your way so.
Jesus returns in you,
When you embrace doctrines of our Father,
Jesus returns in you,
When you give up ideas being something other.
Jesus abides in you,
When your mind of doctrines becomes just like His.
Enduring Vices or Remedies – “Some 2000 years ago, Titus Livy, in the introduction to his history of Rome said that his purpose in writing was ‘to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them.’”
“Rome did neither and fell. Hundreds of years of darkness, slaughter and barbarism ensued.”
Thanks to Ward Dorrity for the above quote and observation.
This sounds a lot like the wayward Christian broadcast ministries of America, no?Sure, the hazy, lazy, daisy almost incredible wayward doctrines of prosperity/prophetic/jabberwocky-is-the-anointing broadcast Christianity WE KNOW is wrong, but televangelists cannot endure their own vices (witness ever-present scandals) yet neither can they face the remedies needed to cure them, which is disavowal of wrong doctrines.The wrong doctrines are a) the rapture (which blinds adherents from seeing the future and gives them a spirit of fear), b) seed/faith prosperity schemes (which make adherents morally disingenuous if not dishonest and gives them a spirit of greed) or c) the God-is-here jabberwocky crowd that can’t admit they’ve relied on false anointings for decades.The proclaimers of truth simply cannot face the reality of their horribly debilitating prejudice against any self-condemnatory truths.The result for global broadcast ministry is infantilism, continual implosions based upon doctrine-driven malfeasance and endless nugatory extractions to keep a debased and devolving system appearinggood.
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba,(Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa)
Is the end near?
Well, I don’t believe so.We have entered the New Millennium these next thousand years.
However, rapture believers (who blind themselves to the future by such belief) think the end is near.
But actually, Christ is building a new heaven on earth with people He can indwell for the next thousand years.Such people must necessarily have God’s spirit and truth, which I take to mean correct doctrine and practice thereof.If we actually worship God in spirit and truth, according to His measure not ours, then Jesus might be able to indwell us at significant effect!
However, much of commonly practiced wayward-church doctrine escapes this holy process.And its adherents escape it by wrong doctrine believed and wrong doctrine practiced, which is to say by their wrong worship and wrong truth of a wrong god.(They believe the wrong things about the real God!)
So in this millennium of ours and Christ’s, we are at the beginning of the process of His indwelling, something Paul wrote about continually.Although the process seams nebulous, it is not.Although Paul’s writing about the subject and others who write about the subject including me make it seem that the process is nebulous, it is not.Christ comes quickly to indwell those He can to then do what He can.We must come to the end of the process escaping that responsibility, which is what the wayward church is primarily about, actually.
To preach “The end is near!” and its “The rapture is soon coming!” equivalent is to preach escapism and stop Christ from indwelling us these next thousand years.It’s the exact opposite of Father God’s plans.
But the end is near of self-on-the-throne without self-destruction.For those who love self and all things enabling self to escape God’s truth of quick indwelling, the end of getting away without bad consequences… is near.
God is allowing the sons of escapist insanity to come to their Father of Lies, who is the father of all religious escapology doctrines.Concurrently, God is bringing His true children near to Himself, which is all truth, even and especially all hard truths, which is what is missing from popular Christianity.
We can now witness the universal “Systempunkt” implosion of popular Christian ministry efforts.This is the point in a system reactive to many small interactions, in which a network of disruptions cause a cascading collapse of the target enterprise, which in this case is wayward Christianity.(And less I be misunderstood, it is God who is by His light generating the disruption; and I in no way, shape or form encourage or desire any human in the flesh to physically attack any institution of religion!)The term comes from the Nazi Blitzkrieg warfare wherein Heinz Guderian said, “Don’t fiddle, smash!”
So here is the easy-to-discern block pattern of what is actually next in God’s heavenly agenda:
For those idolizingSeeker Friendly Love Much Gracethe consequences of escapism is near.
For those idolizingRapture/Dispensational Logos Maniathe consequences of escapism is near.
For those idolizingDry-bones Intellectualism Deadnessthe consequences of escapism is near.
For those idolizingHoly Spirit Hatred & Dead Logos Maniathe consequences of escapism is near.
For those idolizingMega Success with Vapid Lifestylethe consequences of escapism is near.
For those idolizingProsperity/Mammon Seed/Faith Bilethe consequences of escapism is near.
For those idolizingMojo Stage Hypnotism and Emotionsthe consequences of escapism is near.
For those idolizingJabberwocky False Prophetic Maniathe consequences of escapism is near.
(And offering my own ministry archetype me culpa and my own ministry weakness and failings…)
For those idolizingBittner Rants of This Day’s Hard Truthsthe consequences of escapism is near.
What are all these false, mystery religions escaping from?They escape the knowledge and shame of their wrong doctrines and subsequent wrong spirits that prevent Jesus Christ of Nazareth from indwelling quickly in their so-called religious lives.So they say they are with God, but it isn’t true enough!They are with God only in a micro fashion, and they love it so long as God’s truth and spirit continue only in micro fashion.About the only thing they hate is someone who God can really inhabit in fullness!
And why do micro-Christians hate the more fully indwelt Christians?Because the more fully indwelt Christians probably believe a lot of correct doctrines and have a lot of the right spirits.(Sometimes this happens, believe it or not, sort of “unknowingly” in a person, a person that might be taught under the typical lousy, off-track wrong doctrines!Such people, despite their being subject to wrong teachings, actually worship God in spirit and truth.It’s actually quite wonderful, really.But they don’t know the dynamics of indwelling like Paul, Peter and all knowledgeable saints.)
So the truly indwelt of God, or you might call it the more fully indwelt of God, actually shame (without trying to be offensive) the micro-Christians, especially the micro-captains of the micro-Christians: the typical televangelists of this age.
If you watched the current crop of broadcast ministries, most would fall in the above-described blocks.Few, if any teach Colossians 1:26, 27 because, frankly, they are not living it.Or perhaps some of them are, but are too gutless to preach the tough and hard dynamics of this way, Paul’s way, God’s way of indwelling now and quickly.If a leader of broadcast did, he would necessarily excoriate his wayward broadcast brethren, and broadcast ministries have an inviolate rule disallowing all critique and betterment of their very wayward selves.
Broadcast ministry leaders are too gutless to self-correct because God’s indwelling mystery is a pattern disrupt of conventional Christianity.And to admit the truth in humility, and not build a self-aggrandizing enterprise of micro-God-in-me gospel broadcasting, is just too hard for most micro-indwelt televangelists, apparently.
So what works for these wayward leaders of souls?Escape, escape and escape.They sell escapism from God’s indwelling in a multitude of ways.And it works for them and generates fantastic ministry incomes.However, their escapist doctrine inevitably results in poorly fed sheep and implosive ministry events.It is a trend that will continue to greatly worsen until the truth of God’s indwelling is accepted.
Lest I sound too bitter and join the camp of wayward doctrine miscreants, I have hope for tomorrow.Tomorrow will be good because for the good, God will inhabit their lives and make things interesting.
One day in a dry cleaning shop three collars started talking to one another.The blue collar said he was the best collar because his owner could fix any machinery on the planet.The white collar said he was the best collar because his owner could design any machine on the planet.The clerical collar said he was the best collar because his owner could communicate with the maker of the planet.And so they argued without conclusion, without humility and without perspective.
Finally, the pressing machine said they should stop arguing because, in the end none of them were so good that they didn’t need their wrinkles ironed out.
Location:Silver Terrace Cemeteries in Virginia City, Nevada.The scene prominently features a metal cross, hammer-forged from a steel pipe, with Virginia City in the background on the left.To the right is the Catholic entrance to the Comstock cemetery and a dead tree.In the middle stands Robert Winkler Burke.Thus, to one side is life and to the other is death.
Regarding: In the Silver Terrace Cemeteries in Virginia City there are approximately 5,000 people buried in the last 150 years.However, only 1,294 are identifiable.Who knows who is buried, their names and whether they were good or evil?
Sign at entrance to cemetery:
Stop and read as you pass by,
As you are now, Once was I,
As I am now, You will be,
Prepare for death and follow me.
Sign at entrance to Catholic section of cemetery (Rev. 14:30):
BLESSED ARE THE DEAD
WHO DIE IN THE LORD
(Robert reads from a yellow pad.)
For I, the Lord Jesus Christ, come this day and manifest My truth through the pen of Our prophet Robert Winkler Burke.
And he has been quiet this day waiting upon His Lord.
And lo, now I come, as he sits in his truck on his property in southwest Reno, Nevada(on 5/31/06.)
And I come to say, Behold truth, behold consequences.
And so many of you on the earth in this day believe there is no truth, and there are no consequences.And you are wrong on both counts.
Because behold, I am truth.And behold, I am consequences.And there are consequences to you, very real consequences to you for your ability to know and be truth in this day.
For that is your job in this day:To know and be truth.But you believe your job is the exact opposite:To deny truth and be unable to manifest truth.And that is why everyone that loves and makes a lie is excluded from My Father’s kingdom.
So, what is truth? You ask.
Truth I am, says the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.Truth I am.I am truth.And therefore I cannot lie.I can only speak truth.And what do you speak in this day?
You speak in generalities, in banalities, in equivocal this, in equivocal that and in anything but truth.For when you fear to face truth, you fear to face Me and you cannot manifest Me or please My Father in heaven.
And you fear to disbelieve wrong doctrine and you fear to believe true doctrine.So you believe nothing matters and there are no consequences to believing nothing matters.But everything matters and everything has consequences.
Consequently, your lives are full of recompense you do not understand.Understand truth and you will understand consequences.
For lo, there are consequences to holding baby doctrines, such as believing in dispensational doctrines of the mystery religions of the day.
Those of you who believe in the Rapture, or Eternal Security or My Imminent Second Coming all receive inescapable consequences.
And you in mystery religion believe in a prosperity god of automatic response, which is a false god.
And you in mystery religion believe in a love mush god of weak praise, weak preaching and great reward in being a weak witness to the world, which is another false idol.
And you in mystery religion believe in mojo witchcraft church services that bring great emotion and idiocy into your assemblies and you call that My Holy Presence.And you are simply worshipping a false idol of insanity.
And you in mystery religion who believe in a dead god and a dry assembly and an unknowable, unlearnable, uncertain god, you also worship a false idol.
And all of you in mystery religion do not obey the First Commandment which is to have no other, no other, no other God but We the Father, Son and Spirit whom you can and must hear directly and can and must obey willingly.
But you believe there are no consequences to false religion in this life or any other life.
You believe if you believe and easy thing, you can have an easy thing.You simply believe in an easy god, of whatever sort makes you happy, and you believe you will have an easy end to all things.
And it is not so, saith the Lord your God.Your beliefs cannot change Me, saith the Lord, for I am a God that changeth not.
And so you must believe true doctrines of My Father to live.And when I explained My Father’s true doctrines to the religions leaders of the day two thousand years ago, they were in shock and disbelief.
Now comes In That Day Teachings through Our prophet Robert Winkler Burke, and the religious leaders of the day are in shock and disbelief.
For they have been getting away with attempted murder.With their rainbow stew of easy teachings and escapist doctrines they broadcast insanity and attempt to murder truth.
Do not be like them.Learn to discern truth, believe My Father’s hard doctrines…and live.
Location:On an empty lot at the foothills of Mount Rose, in southwest Reno, Nevada.Robert Winkler Burke sits on a flat granite rock with a globe of the earth on a stand next to him while behind to the right is a green cedar tree (Jeffrey Pine) and to the left is far away Mount Rose, still showing a patch of snow near the peak.
Regarding: John 9:3, Billy Graham feature article in the 8/14/06 issue of Newsweek, wherein it is reported Graham has no answers for Middle East Crisis and has a “softened perspective” lining up more with Newsweek’s ecumenical approach to truth, implying there is no ultimate solution to the world’s problems – large or small – from Christianity in General nor from Jesus Christ Himself in Particular for Any Nation of Any People nor for Any Person of Any Nation; So God’s Ultimate Solution for Mankind -- Which is That Every Man, Woman and Child be Able to Hear, Obey and Manifest Christ in Power, Love, Sound Mind, Perfect Harmony with All That is Good and Proper Discord with All That is Bad – is Largely Disbelieved, Even by Ministry Leaders.
Robert reads from a yellow pad dated August 15, 2006:
For yea, yea, yea I am the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
And I come today and I say, Have you had enough church?Have you had enough Bible school?Have you had enough Sunday school, Monday school and every other school?
What more need you to learn about Me before you allow Me to come in your life, correct your false doctrines, expel the demons, change your nature and enjoy with Us finally the true nature of life?
What is truth? you say.What is life? you say.
And I, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, say, I am truth and I am life.If I say truly, truly, I desire to come and manifest Myself in your life, then believe it.If I say My nature is truth, and I cannot abide in lies, believe it.
So many of you are fearful of a science-fiction scenario of My returning to earth.You are paralyzed in fear of imagined epic events to the extent you do nothing to recognize Me when I come to you in simplicity and sincerity.
And so you all, in aggregate, cause unnecessary epic disasters to occur.This increases your fear of man and distances yourself from Me.You have become self-fulfilling prophets of pandemonium.But My true prophets are prophets of peace, and power and purpose.
For am I not a God that is near and not far?And are you not a people who are far and not near?
The time is come for a restoration of all things.The time is come for a restoration of all truth.And time is now out for many of you.
You have squandered your allotted time for restoration of truth and instead pandered lies to each other, being concerned with opinions of men.
Am I a God that must return in spectacular singularity?Must I appear on earth as a giant dragon-slayer, able to cut down the enemies of heaven in one globally televised (fell) swoop?Is that who I must be?Is that all that I am?
Is that all you are, spectators sporting My Father’s colors, cheering on Jesus and the Holy Spirit from the stadium sideline seats of life, as you imbibe emotion and immerse yourself in endless facts about Armageddon’s battle field?
If that is who you are, says the Spirit of God, then you are petty programmers.And then if that is who I am, then I am a robot god.
For you program your robot god by repeatedly pronouncing inane end-times imaginings because you believe your robot god will perform in fealty those fallacies for you.
But thus saith the Lord God Almighty, I am that I am!And the ground beneath Me is holy.And all who come near must humble themselves in reverence.
I am the God of surprise.I am the God of creation.I am the God of ultimate power.And I will not allow My creation to trump My plan, and will and purpose in any way, in any time and in any dispensation.
Fear Me, says God the Father.
Learn from Me, says the Holy Spirit.
Come to Me now, says the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, before it is too late, before it is too late, before it is too late.
Location:At a ridgeline of SlideMountain near the summit of Mt.Rose pass on Highway 431 between Reno and Lake Tahoe.The scene features a series of large granite slabs, one of which is balancing on a hinge point, and shifts dramatically when stepped upon.
Regarding: Luke 20:18, the Nature of Rocks, Some Slabs of Granite Shift, Some Chips of Granite are Thin and Crumble When Struck, Some Large Slabs Tumble in Earthquakes, Some Rocks are Stable; a Visit with a Rapture-Believing Church Described as Another Worship of Weakness; Day of the Lord’s Wrath Visiting Us Now? The Amazing Story of Aron Ralston and His Advertisement for Digital/Satellite Personal Locator Beacon;Whatever Happened to Our Two-Way Radio With God?
Robert reads from a yellow pad dated September 7, 2006:
For I the Lord Jesus Christ come once again through the pen and voice of Our prophet Robert Winkler Burke.
And behold, I am the rock.Behold, I am the rock.Behold, I am the rock.
I am the rock that will crush into powder those who will not follow Me.
I am the rock that provides shade and shelter for those who will follow Me.
I am the rock of ages that will bring you into eternity.
I am the rock of David that will help you bring down your Goliaths.
I am the rock of metamorphous that under the pressure of the cross changed from one manifested individual two thousand years ago to being able to manifest in all of mankind whom are worthy.
I am the rock of My Father’s unchanging doctrine that is always sure, and true and never shifting and false.
Have you believed doctrine that must shift?Must something dispensationally epic happen to the generation that witnessed the birth of a nation-state in 1948?
Have you believed in the shifting doctrine of alphabet numeral counting, such as that Napoleon, or Hitler, or today’s tyrant must by spelling and counting add up to 666?Then, like so many generations before you, you will fear a beast from afar and not your own evil spirits keeping you from close fellowship with Me.
Have you believed the shifting doctrine of worshipping weakness such that you are no longer needing to be strong and of a good courage to conquer evil by My power and love and sound mind, but rather to wait for My so-called Imminent Second Coming?
Have you believed in the shifting doctrine of being forever rapture ready?And what, pray tell the Lord Jesus Christ asks, is being rapture ready?
To be rapture ready really means you want Me to come and do the greater works you refuse to do.But I, the Lord Jesus Christ, refuse to come as you so demand.Instead, I come and do the greater works through others closer to Me than you, while you stand aside and hypocritically remain unable, unwilling and unworthy to manifest Me or honor those who do.
I am the rock and you had better fear My Father’s wrath.Understand the fundamental things of life and nature, and you will understand Me.
Do not deny that the dispensational doctrines of the mystery religions of My wayward Church have had to shift over time to continue to appear true, to continue to sell fear, to continue to promote the fear-mongering shepherds, to continue to make the table of Isaiah 28 full of vomit.
Now do not deny that I have in the past, do so now and will continue to manifest Myself in people since My resurrection.Did I not manifest Myself, the Lord Jesus Christ, in Paul, in Peter, in your George Washington, in your Mr. Lincoln, but not sufficiently in you yet?
This doctrine of Me manifesting My Father’s goodness in human souls alive on earth has not changed since I explained it to My disciples before I went to the cross.
Behold, I come quickly.Behold, I never tarry.Behold My wayward Church wanting to believe anything, do anything and be anything but able to manifest Me.
Weep for your ages of idiocy, refusing to watch your spirit, refusing to watch your truth; that you might be able to manifest Me.Weep for the spirits of abomination of desolation you have built your houses with, your souls with, your destiny with.
Clean your houses of abomination of desolation.Deal with your unclean spirits.Reject your mountains of wrong doctrine, which are lies.Fill in the valleys of your soul, which are missing so many good natured spirits.
Become good.Come to good.Come to light.
Repent of deception.Repent of lies.Repent of darkness.
Come to Me, your rock that changes not.Be ye changed, stop trying to change Me, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.You have been waiting for the arrival of a god that is not.
Humble yourselves.Repent to the bottom of your souls, that the lies therein be expunged, that your houses be filled with good and that I might dwell with you and you with Me forever.
It is not too late.It is not too great a thing to ask of you.Be filled with My Spirit completely.Fear My Father’s wrath.Witness dangers to your soul: believing in false doctrines, which are deadly devices like unto shifting rocks.
Behold, I am the rock that changes not, shifts not, decomposes not, falls not and never is not.Behold the false doctrines of the wayward church that always shift, always decompose, always fall and always are not.
Believe in Me, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and My nature, and you will be as I am, for you will be with the God of I am.
Believe not in Me nor in My nature, nor in My Father’s true doctrines, and you will not be in God; not now, not forever.
This day choose your destiny:
To be or not with Me;
to be or not in Me;
to be or not of Me.
Be as I am, with Me, manifesting whenever:Behold, I come!
Thus saith the Lord.
Amen, and Amen and Amen.
9/14/08
And Their Doctrines are Perfect? – Please see the following reference to “List of Christian Evangelist Scandals” from Wikipedia:
Mother Nature’s Sons –Section Two of this article discusses the six televangelists under current US Senate investigation:Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, Paula White, Joyce Meyer.Note that these six were more or less mentored by the Seed/Faith Doxie (which begs out of you money, with promises that somebody else, God naturally, will multiply your bet’s return, while insisting on opaque finances, so that monies spent in personal excess are not discovered) from Oral Roberts, who made the list, naturally, and whose son Richard also made the list, quite naturally.Yet as of this date, no broadcast ministries in error have repented of any of their many bad doctrinal positions.Yet we can see their serial pattern error.But just as naturally, with their super-size pride, they supernaturally cannot! If anything, the televangelists under investigation have doubled up seed/faith extraction propaganda.Good grief!
Regarding: John 14: 1-12; God is Busy, May I Help You? (and Other Foundational Lies of the Church), Religion’s noble desire, ignoble deception and inescapable despair; The Solution being abandoning wrong doctrine and receiving truth!
Movie Dialogue from The Robe, made in 1953:
In The Robe a Roman Tribune, called Marcellus Gallo, is played by Richard Burton.In the following scene, a battle-hardened Roman Centurion is talking to a Roman Tribune.They are both on horse-back, riding in Palestine towards the gates of Jerusalem.The Centurion is explaining the lay of the land to his new boss, who has just arrived.
Centurion:Jerusalem is no pleasure resort at its best.This is the worst, the feast they call the Passover.This is when their soothsayers tell them their Messiah will come.
Tribune:Messiah?What’s that?
Centurion:King, Savior, Redeemer, Son of their God and general trouble maker.
Tribune:He’s coming here?
Centurion:No one knows.No one knows if He even exists!He is.But He isn’t.He hasn’t come yet.But He’s coming.Every year the same.You’ll find out tribune, if you live long enough!
Tribune:Thanks for the kind wish, Centurion.
Crowd:The Messiah!The Messiah!There He is!There He is!
[Jesus is seen in a white robe, riding a white donkey into Jerusalem.People turn to Him.]
Tribune:What stirred them up?Perhaps He’s coming after all, their Messiah.
Centurion:Something is happening, that’s certain.There!Those people carrying fronds.The man riding the white donkey.See Him?
Nevertheless, the Tribune and Centurion turn away from the crowds going to Jesus, and head towards Jerusalem.
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First Burke reads the above dialogue mimicking the gruff voice of the actor who played the Centurion.Then a second time, Burke slowly reads just the Centurion’s prescient words regarding religion’s hope, confusion and resulting unbelief:
Centurion:No one knows.No one knows if He even exists!He is.But He isn’t.He hasn’t come yet.But He’s coming.Every year the same.You’ll find out tribune, if you live long enough!
A third time Burke reads the Centurion’s dialogue which so concisely describes religion’s noble desire, ignoble deception, and inescapable despair…
Centurion:No one knows.No one knows if He even exists!He is.But He isn’t.He hasn’t come yet.But He’s coming.Every year the same.You’ll find out tribune, if you live long enough!
[Burke speaks in tongues…]
And now!And now!And now!And now!And now!
And now!And now!And now!And now!And now!
And now!And now!And now!And now!And now!
Now you know!
Now you know, saith the Lord Jesus Christ,
your Savior who died on the cross,
and went to hell and the grave,
and rose in three days,
and sits at the right hand of the Father.
And know you know!
And now you know the lie!!
The foundational lie
of My modern Church!
The lie is:
When am I coming back?
The lie is:
The lie is to the answer to the question, when am I coming back?
The Lie, the lie of the Church is, I will have My servant Robert read this:
No one knows.No one knows if He even exists!He is.But He isn’t.He hasn’t come (yet.)But He’s coming.Every year the same.You’ll find out tribune, if you live long enough!
That is:
The foundational lie,
The foundational lie,
The foundational lie
of the modern Church.
Thus saith the Lord God Almighty,
who is the Lord Jesus Christ,
who is speaking to you to this day.
And that is the lie.
That is the lie
that you cannot deny.
That is the lie.
That is the lie.
That is the lie that heaven hears.
And We are sick of it.
We are sick of hearing it:
Should Jesus Tarry.
We are sick of hearing it.
We are sick of hearing it.
We are SICK of the unbelief,
for that is the last part of this statement:
You’ll find out tribune, if you live long enough!
You will have unbelief as we (the unbelievers) do!We (the unbelievers) say yes:
No one knows.No one knows if He even exists!He is.But He isn’t.He hasn’t come yet.But He’s coming.Every year the same.
That is the lie.
That is the lie.
That is the lie that will make you die and will put you in hell,
preacher ladies, and preacher men and theologians of the ages.
That is the lie.
That is the lie.
That is the lie for which I did, in fact, die.I, the Lord Jesus Christ, did die to put the truth to that lie that My Father is dead; for He is not, and I am not and the Holy Spirit is not.But the modern world is dead.And you know that is bad.But what is worse, is: My modern Church is dead.Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ.
But there is a little bit that lives.And there is a little spark that burns.And We are going to take that spark, which is the truth that is in you; and We are going to take the spark that is in Us, which is the truth that is in Us; and We are going to kindle a fire with that!
And We are going to bring this modern day Church back to life.And We are going to bring this modern day world back to life.
For you are dying, world, and you are dying, modern day so-called Christian Church.Because: You have invented a rhapsody of lies, and a rhapsody of doctrine and a rhapsody of babble regarding how, and when and where I return.For if it is not in the deluded, misconstrued doctrines of My Imminent Second Return, it is in arguing about the even greater lies that are wrapped around the doctrine of the Rapture.
For I choose to come in anyway I want, any time I want with My Father’s will and approval.And He gives Me pretty free rein on this earth to come and manifest, and witness truth, or witness lies and abomination.And most of the time that is all there is to witness on your abominable earth, is abominable lies and abominable, abominable, abominable sin.
Now, We would that the Church simply drop-kick and get rid of its wrong doctrine; because it is keeping Me from manifesting.
Because I cannot manifest in power or in truth in people who hold wrong doctrine.Because people who hold wrong doctrine, the bottom line of that, is that people who hold wrong doctrine actually give right for demons to live in their soul.
[At this point Burke has stumbled with the words.]
And when demons live in your soul, they are repulsive to Me, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and Father God Almighty.And We have a rule: We don’t manifest Ourselves in people packing a large percentage of demons.
Now actually, We can come in even in sinful people, even in this person Robert Winkler Burke.For he is not perfected, as you so readily can see.But what you need to do is, you need to so readily see how I can manifest in him, and through him and in his life!And We want to do it in your life!Yes, We do!
But there has to be a witness of truth in you, in your spirit.And you have to fight the mighty, good and faithful fight to get out evil spirits in you, which have right because of the doctrine that you worship. You have doctrine of how to run your life.And you have doctrine on how to run your religion.And it is backwards.
You need to receive the doctrine of Father God Almighty through this Holy Bible, as I manifested truth and believe in Me your Savior.And when you can get that going, the evil spirits will be able to be removed by various means in your life.
But the modern Church does not like to look at evil spirits.And in fact it doesn’t like to look at very much of anything, except itself in the mirror in self-exaltation and glory!
Now, in this movie (The Robe) you see that I was represented to be coming there in Jerusalem on a white donkey, which is a low animal, in humbleness, in humbleness.In humbleness, I come!And that is the number one thing that keeps Me from coming from you preachers, and from you in church and from all of you in religion that would like to try anything but humility.
And where humility is, truth is, and that is who I am.And then I can come and manifest in your lives.
And you say, This Robert Winkler Burke fellow and all his teachings — which are actually Our teachings, the teachings of the Lord God Almighty, the doctrines of Father God — you complain about his teachings because they keep using the “M” word: Manifesting, manifesting, manifesting!
Well, what does it mean?And why is there so much attention on that?Manifesting means I come and live your life, do you get it?That is what manifesting is.I am a man, I want to have a festival in your life!
Yes, your lives are depraved, and alone, and miserable, and vain and worthless!And you all get to see that at the end of your lives: How little you manifested Me, how little you worked with truth and how much you rejected every one of Father God’s doctrines.Yes!
And it is so vain!And it is so putrid!And it is so problematical!
Now, you say, This manifesting: Does that mean that We all have to sit on a rocking chair, and close Our eyes, and speak in tongues, and mumble and hope that a voice, a Spirit, hopefully the Spirit of God comes, and manifests, as we have seen in In That Day Teachings?Is that what the Lord Jesus Christ is saying?Is that what is it all about?
And We say, No!That is only a small part.We are to help you manifest goodness in all of your lives, in all of your entirety, twenty-four seven, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week.Give Us opportunity.
And you say, That would drive me mad!We have to drive our cars with our eyes open, not like this Robert Winkler Burke, who shuts his eyes when We are manifesting.
No, you simpletons!We come and We go in seasons, and in time.But the very greatest are abiding in Me almost continually.
It means that yes, you do the base things in life.Yes, it is OK to go use the restroom; yes, it is OK to eat; yes, it is OK to sleep.We would be in charge of your sleep if you would only let Us.
But We manifest in people in perfection.And that is what is so sadly missing on your planet in this day is: perfected people living in perfection.And it is possible.It is doable.It is altogether lovely.And it is something you have all together decided not to pursue.
And you hold your silly conventions.You hold your truly wicked television ministry programs.Because you have all become one polyglot mess that has to agree to the tenants of your basic, messed-up anti-Messianic doctrine which is a doctrine that is a go-along, get-along doctrine.
And you wonder why the world appears to be getting worse and why you in this so-called modern church are practically unable to do anything.
And you get in your prayer closets, and you get on your knees, and you pray and ask for revival.And you say, Lord, in your heart of hearts you wonder, Lord, with this much television capacity, and internet capacity, and publishing capacity, and (with) the basic lay of the technological and educational land, with so much education going on, with so much everything else going on, you wonder:Why isn’t there a great revival?
Well sirs, well ladies, you have pushed the limits of how much you can extend your false doctrines.And until you get the picture in a broader sense, and in a more specific sense – meaning until you get the picture that this whole entirety of the Bible, the focus is, that We, your Lord God manifest in your lives – until you get that picture more firmly established, there will not be the change in earth that you want, the change in revival that you want and most specifically the change in you that you do not want!
You want to change the world without changing yourselves.You want to be nominally a Christian, nominally a believer in My name, nominally pray, and get every one of your prayers answered as the putrid Faith Movement teaches.You want all of that to happen without taking a really good look in the mirror at you, and the members of your family and the members of the planet earth that are making life on earth such hell.
And We must repeat to you this day that when We say manifest We do not mean that you have to do what this Robert Winkler Burke has done for Us in obedience, which every occasion that We ask, he makes a taping for Us.No, We will manifest in you, to make it most simple for you to understand, by simply helping you to be good.And that includes a lot of territory.
And the territory that you do not want to look at is just what spirits you are of, and how it drives the mind that you have, to be operating in realms that are far from the kingdom of heaven, which as you know I said is within you.And you have a go-along get-along structure now that allows you to live your whole lives in entirety, calling your family into the deception and avoid truth at all costs.
And We in heaven say, It is enough.It is enough.It is enough.
We will have Our servant read to you again this Foundational Lie of the modern Church, which is for you, the modern believer.When the question is asked:
The King, Savior, Redeemer, Son of their God and (even) general trouble maker, is coming here?
The foundational lie that the modern Church has, is answered by this:
No one knows.No one knows if He even exists!He is.But He isn’t.He hasn’t come yet.But He’s coming.Every year the same.You’ll find out tribune, if you live long enough!
Well, you have lived long enough, says the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.You have lived long enough to recognize truth in this day.And in these In That Day Teachings you are hearing truth manifested by I, the Lord Jesus Christ, His voice and Spirit.
So receive ye this day truth of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Spirit, which is the Holy Spirit, which is that same Spirit that the modern Church refuses to baptize itself with or goes off in ridiculous frenzy and tizzies, and has tizzy fits over My Spirit.
Now yes, I the Lord Jesus Christ, Father God Almighty (and the) Holy Spirit mightily endorse speaking in tongues.We mightily endorse the prophetic voice.We mightily endorse healings, spiritual healings and every other kind of healings.
But We do not endorse what so much in the modern Church has said is sufficient for a spirit filled arena.And what you fill that arena with is mojo, and jive, and huckster talk and control, evil spirit control to control your audience that wants to be controlled.
So whether, yea, yea, yea the Lord Jesus Christ now will say some of the putrid expressionsthat are used by these modern day preachers.It is the:
Huh!Huh! Believe in the Lord (say the hucksters) Huh!Huh! Huh!
Calling out a gutter call from hell, which We call a gutter call from hell!Stop that!(And) stop the:
Where is my amen corner?Who will stop me (say the hucksters) when I am preaching bad?(Because you are not preaching good and you are refusing to be corrected.)
Every abominable expression that you use to say:
Audience, get yourself controlled by a soulish anointing spirit! (say the hucksters.)
And do you notice that We do not come in your arenas that you so fill with a false anointing and a false gospel?
I have said it before, I will say it again: My Father, who should be your Father, is wise, the wisest thing in Creation.And yet your assemblies have become abominable in their juvenile, puerile, insane inanities that babble forth until every control spirit is in operation except the control of the Holy Spirit, I the Lord Jesus Christ or Father God Almighty.
I am saying to the modern Church, Wake up!Wake up!Wake up!And then, and then, and then and then weep!And weep!And weep!Yes, weep, weep, weep!
Weep for weeks for the years and generations that you have spent in idolatry of each other and have spent in absolute craven depravity.For that is what the modern Church has become.
And you in modernity believe that because you can jump on a computer, and get on the internet, and do a word search, and get your printer moving, and get your mouse scrolling, and get your eyes feasting on all of the thoughts, and all of the words and everything having to do with religion or any other subject for that matter, We say to you:Enough!Wake up to the non-technical nature of I, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and Father God Almighty.
For We come to you in Spirit.And believe it or not, sirs and women, but Our Spirit in toto, in total, is more important than every technological advance you have ever heard of, will ever use and will ever even dream about!
Because: Where truth is, I am.And I am not a robot of technology.I am a living, sentient Being which happens to have a powerful Spirit, which is the Holy Spirit, which can indwell in you as I can, in this messed up –potentially marvelous – but currently messed up world.
And We are now not asking you to be hooked into one particular scripture verse, or one particular thought.We are asking you to open your minds, stop being rebels which as you know is witchcraft.Stop practicing that witchcraft.Stop being the witchcraft doctors, which is what leadership in the Church this day has become.
We are asking you to become modern-day epistles, modern-day witnesses to truth.And that does not mean that you go on a rampage and a crazy program protesting those who do not see it the way you see, or that you think is being explained by these programs to you.
What you do is you get quiet.You go grab all of the patience that you can, and (then) you go get more.And every time that spirit of impatience rises up in you, you kick it out.
You say, anytime an evil spirit wants to come in and have dominion of your body, you fight that with My blood, the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.And you say, With the blood that was shed on the cross by the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I command you spirits of impatience out of me (say you) that I might receive an indwelling of the Holy Spirit of patience to handle what it is I need to handle for God, and who I need to become for God and what I will do for God.
And it is simple.It is simple.Repent for who you have been.Fight against those spirits in you that want to keep you being that sinful person that you have been.Immerse yourself with scripture.But all of it, We say to you, works only if you will receive Our Holy Spirit in unlimited measure.And you have nothing to fear from that.
Your fear has been mixed up.You have feared deviating from conventional, accepted doctrines of men.And you have feared going to what, in the end, is the simple way, and the simple path and even the simple doctrines of Father God Almighty.
For that is Our perspective.Father God’s doctrines are simple.What they are, is simply truth.And you have such barriers in your church to truth!
You will say to a prophet, as was said to this one who is speaking to you now, What will he say in our church?We must know before you (the prophet) speak.
And even this moment, Our servant Robert Winkler Burke, does not know what We want and will say through him.He allows Us to.
And you (preachers) say, No, we cannot do that!Because surely there would be evil spirits (that) might take advantage of that and go speak blasphemous.
Well, you are more desperate than you really think that you are.And you need to start taking those dice, and rolling them on the table and see how they turn up: sevens or sixes.And if you get some sixes turning up, you can advance.You can say, We are going into a new realm.If we know, that we know, that we know we are getting some anti-christ manifestations here, we are going to stop that and start over again.
I will forgive!And what you need to learn is that you can forgive yourself.And even your fellow brothers and sisters in the Body of Christ will forgive yourselves.And anyone else that wants to stay out of Our tribe, out of Our family then do not worry.Do not concern yourselves.
But be wise!Do not get yourself in trouble with the government, or personally, or this, that or the other.Use Our wisdom.
In other words, you have been operating in the dark, saith the Lord.You have been operating entirely too much on your mind, and your emotions but not in conjunction with Our Spirit.
And so as you turn to change your world, which has been upside-down, to the right way, to right-side up; you say, We cannot do that because it will shake everything loose and everything will tumble.
Well, you know sometimes that happens when you turn things from one direction 180 degrees back to the true direction you need to be.Well, get ready for that shaking.Get ready for that stirring.
And We have tried to explain this to you with Isaiah 28’s explanation of spiritual scourging in this day, which is a page you have decided to rip out of the Bible and not pay much attention to.
But yes, this is a time of stirring.This is a time of revelation.And this is a time to get yourself in oneness in reality, which is Us, Father God, I the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
All of you reality seekers, find Us! and walk in Our reality, which is the kingdom of heaven, which is within you.And in this day We are commanding all who can, to manifest Our kingdom, which is truth, which is I the Lord Jesus Christ.
Now, from this perspective, it sounds simple, doesn’t it?But you need to learn to apply it in your lives, so that you never again hear those filthy, abominable words:
Should Jesus Tarry.
And you never again have doubt in your mind:
Is He?Or isn’t He?He is?Or He isn’t?He is coming?Or He is not coming?
Behold!I come quickly!
Behold!The entirety of these doctrines explain to you in the In That Day Teachings, will enable Myself to come quickly in your lives.
Behold!Modern man and the modern Church rejects I, the Lord Jesus Christ, in this manifestation and in these teachings of the In That Day Teachings.
And you say, Well this proves that this Robert Winkler fellow person is crazy.No one cares.No one pays attention.
I, the Lord Jesus Christ, say, You have not been paying attention to the Bible!Why should We care if you do not pay attention to these tapings and to this new testament that is being prepared, this new testament to truth which is being called In That Day Testament?
Why should We care that you reject a truth delivered to you in modern times or a truth delivered to you [picks up Bible from lap] in ancient times?
You reject truth from Us and you go to hell.We have not changed from the beginning to the end.I am the Alpha and the Omega.I do not change, thus saith the Lord.But you had better!
You had better receive truth from this Bible and every other thing that is true that comes to you in this day.From any and every source , you receive truth in this day.And when you do, you will receive life and life more abundantly.And when you do, you will see that your life will become as a movie, not a nightmare movie, but a good movie!
And when you do receive Our truth, you will receive Our Father’s will.And My Father’s will for you is good.It may not seem like it in the short term, like a private at boot camp thinks the training he is going through is nothing but onerous.But My modern Church has refused to receive Me and has become everything that is onerous.
So stop becoming onerous in this day.And stop bolstering self, and pride, and vanity and egotism.And humble yourself, as I came into Jerusalem that day on a lowly donkey and not on a majestic horse.
Get off of your majestic horses!Stop copycatting your mega-ministry activities as the prideful, strutting horses.You have all become horses’ asses! saith the Lord God Almighty.
Do what I did.Come in to Jerusalem on a lowly animal, which We say is called humility in this day.Be ye humble and live.Be ye humble and live.Be ye humble and live.
Hang on to the pride of your doctrines and die.Hang on to the pride and accolades of man, and die.Hang on to that stubborn self, which rules most of your life, and die.
Choose you this day life or death:Life of Me, the Lord Jesus Christ, living in you or in truth anti-christ spirits living in you.For that is where it gets down to that foundational truth.
Would you rather believe that you can live in deception and comfortable doctrines of men and therefore unavoidably manifest and contain in your spirit, and your soul and your body evil spirits; or get rid of all that unclean nature, and become one with the Creator of the universe, Father God, become one with I, the Lord Jesus Christ your Savior, and become one with the Holy Spirit, who can guide you and teach you in all things?
The best answer to these really big questions is simple.It is yea or nay.
And now We will release this Robert Winker Burke to have a pleasant weekend.And We in heaven will be awaiting your decision when you receive this material no matter how time-delayed it is.
Will you, in truth and in humility, receive I, the Lord Jesus Christ, to live in your life manifesting at the highest possible level that you can achieve by living a consecrated life?
Do that, and you will be set free.Do not do that and you will die the double death of a wasted life on earth and then eternal extinction on the other side of life on this earth.
We are a God of love.We cannot keep from manifesting love.And it seems like almost anything you do on this planet is designed to stop Us from loving you, but we cannot!
We are your God.We cannot stop loving you. We also cannot help but judge you.Stop getting in the line of judgment, and get into the line of blessing.
And every time you hear that word blessing you have been so church-taught as to think that kicks in the Prosperity/Greed Doctrine and We are not saying that.The blessing is sufficient just to avoid cursing.And that is what most of you are doing to yourselves: Heaping up curses, on top of more curses, on top of more curses.
So get out from under that pile of rubble:The cursing of ages, the destruction of ages and the wasting of ages.And get on board truth.And let Us live in your lives that you might live lives well, that you might live your lives well.
Again it boils down to such a simple thing.Receive truth.Repent of evilly holding on to wrong doctrines.Repent of containing and manifesting evil spirits in your life.And look forward to becoming pure, and perfected and for once, pleasant in the knowledge that I, the Lord Jesus Christ, manifest pleasantly in your life in this day.
Come to your pleasant Lord who says the day for patience for overlooking sin in your life is long past.
And behold,
We come
in power,
and in purity
and in practice
in your life.
I, the Lord Jesus Christ, have delivered this message to you through Our humble servant Robert Winkler Burke.And yes, Robert, We will say that.You are humble enough to do these outlandish tapings and manifest Our voice, for which We are thankful.
But it is time now
for the body of the Church
to open up its eyes,
and wake up to truth,
and wake up to Me,
the Lord Jesus Christ,
and wake up today.
Amen, and Amen and Amen.
9/11/08
Primrosers Save No One
By Robert Winkler Burke
Copyright 9/11/08
I am off the primrose path,
And I like what it does for me,
No longer failing and always last
I appreciate what can now I see.
But can a man still on primrose way,
Warn another the perils to avoid?
Nay, he can’t, it’s impossible, I say,
A hypocrite wields no true goad.
Anyone on Satan’s primrose path,
Has bad eyes, bad ears, bad brains.
He says, Bad is good and good is gaff,
His presence goodness from you drains.
The wayward souls on primrose’s course,
Will tell you that they know more than all,
Just follow them to avoid what’s worse,
But do it, and you will lose ground and fall.
The funny thing is, how primrosers’ react,
To all who follow the rugged way that’s true,
Primrosers withdraw and suffer demonic attack,
When perchance they meet truth and honesty in you.
Whole Lot of Wailin’ Goin’ on! – The following transcript was made two and a half years ago.Since then, we have now the spectacle of a Presidential candidate who put the spot light on his minister for twenty years, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.This Chicago reverend was exposed as a radical racist who spoke race-inciting jabberwocky, believing it holy.Now he is accused by his former secretary of sexual misconduct.And we also have the spectacle of the widely praised Todd Bentley, who shepherded the Lakeland Florida Revival but retired under accusations of adultery, divorce and drinking.And we have the US Senate investigation into finances of six major televangelists.Yet broadcast ministers neither weep nor repent over their wrong doxie: wrong doctrines that consistently drive them and their sheep into the ditch.The ministry leaders weep not, they stay in pride and error, then some fall and when they do, they wail a lot.
Location:In the snow near a mountain stream: ThomasCreek in Southwest Reno area.
Regarding: Revelation 22:1-9; Living Waters; Peggy Lee’s “Is That All There Is?” Song of lifelong disappointment true ONLY for lifelong lived without God’s Holy Spirit; …Keep the sayings of this book: worship God (In Spirit and Truth)…
In spirit and truth you worship God, says the Holy Spirit.
For I am a Holy Spirit, I am your path to holiness.I am your guide.I am your ever present help.I am who you need.But I am under-employed in this day of technology, says your Holy Spirit.
What need have ye of Me? saith the Holy Spirit.
You have Jesus, you think, but you do not have His Spirit, which is Me, the Holy Spirit.You have Father God, you think, but He is a Spirit too.And you do not like spirits.In fact, you have created a very modern world in which there are no spirits, you think.
You think there are no spirits, therefore you believe there are no spirits, saith the Holy Spirit.But there ARE spirits, saith the Holy Spirit.There are good spirits and there are bad spirits.They are like tools.Tools can be good and tools can be bad; it depends how they are used.
But there is one big difference between tools and spirits.Tools normally are not alive, nor are they sentient and thinking; and neither do they have a supreme force directing their activities.
Spirits, you see, are alive.They are alive to the good and alive to the not good, or evil.
And you are, it has been said by the Lord Jesus recently, babies.You are babies in the knowledge of spirits, saith the Holy Spirit.
And you live in a world of spirits which has become for you a world of denial.And de Nile is a river in Egypt, get it?You laugh, but you should know Egypt represents the world and worldly thinking.And what is the wayward Church but a bunch of ignorant, worldly thinkers? saith the Holy Spirit.
You live in a world of spirits, but you worship in a Church of truth-without-spirit.You try to worship in truth-without-spirit.You try to love in truth-without-spirit.And you try to live in truth-without-spirit, saith the Holy Spirit.
For:In Our Spirit, in My Spirit, saith the Holy Spirit, is quickening to truth you otherwise will not see, cannot see and never in a million years will see.
My Spirit quickens, says the Holy Spirit.I am your epiphany in you life symphony.But your lives have become epistles to error because somehow you have convinced yourselves I am not, saith the Holy Spirit.
So you blow past every sign My Father puts beside your path of error.A roof is blown off your ministry, but you care not.A president and his father is dishonored in your church, but you care not.You practice soulish control of congregations who you force to amen and hallelujah every lie, but you care not.Whole regions are upended by disaster, but you take no correction because you care not.
Though every sign, and signal and surprise is provided by My Father as a quickening wake up call to you, you care not because you believe I am not, saith the Holy Spirit.
And I am, says the Spirit who you believe is not, love!
And I am, says the Spirit who you believe is not, alive!
And I am, says the Spirit who you believe is not, aware!
And the result of your blaspheming Me, which Jesus strongly warned that you must never, ever do, is quite profound, really.
You now have become very much not love, not alive and not aware.
You reject Me and all of My good spirits, and the end result is that you garner for your denying, dumbed-down, self-destructive selves lots and lots of evil spirits.
Believe in Me, the Holy Spirit, and good things happen to your spirit.
Deny Me and bad things happen to your spirit.You invite either evil spirits or good spirits in your life by what you believe about Me, the Holy Spirit.
Do not fear Me, the Holy Spirit.
Do not deny Me, the Holy Spirit.
Do not ever think your problems with the unseen world will ever be conquered by embracing the lie that there is no spirit realm outside of you or inside of you.You deny what spirit you are of and what spirit your world is of!
Believe in those lies, and you will die.Believe in Me, the Holy Spirit, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and Father God and live!
And let Us live together in love, and joy, and peace, and prosperity and in significance!
Thus signs off the signal Spirit
who is significantly ignored,
who is significantly patient,
who is significantly powerful,
who is significantly practical,
who is significantly prepared
to do business with you now
and always
hearing,
happy,
heavy-duty,
heavenly,
honorable and
hoping
you get this
honest helping
of My Holy Spirit!
[Robert speaks in tongues.]
And so I, the Lord Jesus Christ, come to you this day and say, Which way will you decide this day?
Will you decide this creative, exotic, outlandish way in which We have taught this Robert Winkler Burke, who We call a prophet in this day, to assemble video recordings, now Number Eighty-Seven, to teach you about Our Spirit; what will you decide about that?
Will you say, He has no collar, he has no theological degree, he has no position in church?
Will you say the same things about him that your brethren and sisters in sin said about Me, and John the Baptist and every other true prophet who was taught by Our hand and not by such minds as yours, and not by the minds of men, and not by the traditions of men, and not by the traditions of religion, and not by lies, on top of more lies, on top of more lies?
Because:Every once in a while We need to break through to your world and show you where We live, where We are and where We have Our being, which is in people!Which is (in) inhabiting the blessed, and beautiful and bountiful souls on earth who have paid a price in humility and in sanctification to be able to manifest Ourselves.And it is altogether lovely and wonderful thing.
[Motions with open right hand to stream flowing behind.]
As you see in Our nature the river still runs.This is a year-round stream.And ladies and gentlemen, it runs and continues to run.And this stream that I am pointing to now, is nothing compared to My Father’s mighty stream which flows from the throne room to earth, if you will receive it.
It is an invisible stream.It is a stream, yea, in the spirit realm.And how you modern people hate anything connected with the spirit realm.
And We in heaven wonder how many books you will write that are dry as dust, that are dead as dead men’s bones, that are putrid and disgusting about religion?You have populated your Christian bookstores with inanities and insanities.And your books – that you pile on the floor to higher than a man can see over –sell wonderfully, so long as they do not contain a shred of My Father’s truth.
[Again motions to stream.]
For My Father’s truth in this dayis that We are alive and We come now!And what do your books say? but that We are coming in the Rapture, that We are coming in an apocalyptic out-of-control way in which the denizens of fear sell fear to those who devour fear.
And that is what your end-times books have become.That is what your end-times prophecies have become.That is what your end-times conferences have become.And that is what your end-times television ministries have become.
They have become apocalyptic messages of fear.And that is not Our desire for humankind on earth in this day.Our desire is very plain and very clear as was read to you by Our prophet in this day.It is simply the words of Our Bible, specifically in this day in this case the first seven verses of the Book of Revelation, Chapter 22 in which We describe the way it really works in this day.
And that is, you pay the price of righteousness to directly hear the words of Me, the Lord Jesus Christ, and willingly and gladly obey.There is great reason and motivation for you to do that.
It means you will live.And you will live a significant life and a bountiful life.It may not seem that at first, as it seems with every soldier that goes through training.
But it is better to be engaged by the significant parties on earth, which is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and (with) Father God in heaven.It is better to be engaged in the battle on earth on the right side than on the wrong side or on the dumb side, on the insignificant side.
And stop ye this day supporting the fear mongers.And stop ye this day supporting the go-along get-along crowd in religion that will have church services in the next five, ten, fifty years that are nothing new and everything the same that they have been the past five, ten, fifty years.And that is simply a baby gospel that says, Believe in Me, the Lord Jesus Christ, and stop right there before you get into submission to Me, before you get into obedience to Me and before you get into abundance with Me.
(This is) the baby doctrine and the baby gospel of so many dead churches, and that includes churches by denomination, it includes churches that are non-denominational, and it especially includes the bulk of the television ministries in this day.
Yea, though they are trying to do a noble effort, they have not contacted successfully with Us to the extent that We can regularly provide them with fresh manna, true fresh manna not the bits and pieces of truth that have been shown and over-exaggerated by the word of faith, prosperity doctrine message, which is to find some key of prosperity and ram it down everyone’s throat believing that We, the Lord your God, have an automatic response mechanism that will obey and salute you as if you are general, as if you are Lord, as if you are God!
Ladies, gentlemen of the faith prosperity message, of the mega ministry message, of the global television evangelist effort, you are not God!Get off of that throne.It is ugly.It is sinful.It is insignificant.And it is confusing the world, sirs.And it is confusing the world, ladies.
We would that you would get back to the truth of God, the truth of the Bible and the truth of this day, which is that there are corrective prophets.
You love the five-fold ministry; you ignore the prophetic.You love the Bible, but you ignore every page of rebuke.You love the saints of the age, but you ignore their example:
Yea, even of John the Revelator, on the last chapter and last page of the Bible, he freely admits that he went overboard and started worshiping an angel and had to receive a strong rebuke and correction.And (consider) even the example of lovely Peter, who had to be corrected when I came back after going to the cross, and tell him three times to feed My sheep as a rebuke for his unbelief and denying Me three times.
And yea, you make fun of those people.You ignore those people.And you do not see that you are bigger horse rear ends than anyone that has ever been written about in the Bible.
Because:You have the wisdom, and the knowledge and the history of the ages.And you should know that just as huge, corporate, conglomerate companies can find themselves suddenly in error, and suddenly losing millions, yea, billions of dollars in a year, or a quarter of a year or a month.This is something you regularly can receive on the financial pages and see in your news broadcasts.And you do not take the message that this same kind of error can happen to any and every ministry.
And you have no fear of that.You have no fear that a common corporate president has of being rebuked by his board, and being fired by his shareholders, by the owners of the company, by the circumstances of his ineptitude.
And everyone makes a mistake this day, but apparently not the Christian television ministries.Why is that?It is because they sell a lie, a lie of deception that is supported by the sheep who are deceived.And therefore, there is no correction, saith the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who died on the cross so that you may have correction, and you may have rebuking, and you may have chastisement.
And look again, look again, look again at what I said in the Book of Revelation:Everyone whom I love I chastise and rebuke.And you cannot deny that whereas GM, and Ford, and (Daimler)Chrysler, and IBM and every other blue (chip) industry has found a need for correction, yea the Christian ministries believe they have never needed correction or never will.And that is why they are in worse trouble than any company that has been mentioned.
You Christian ministries are directly responsible for engaging in activities for decades, and decades and decades with no correction of My Holy Spirit, no correction of Me the Lord Jesus Christ, and no correction of Father God Almighty.And He is furious!
He is furious that you know not how to take a correction, whether it is specifically targeted as a roof that is blown off the Coral Ridge Ministry to get its mind off of fighting the ACLU (and) instead taking the brilliance and the power of that ministry, which has been prepared now to analyze why the manifestations of We, the Lord your God, have been removed from Christianity.
That is why, sir, your roof was blown off, why the church was made into a mess; and you simply cleaned it and carry on ever the more stronger believing that nobody corrects you, not even this servant of Ours, Robert Winkler Burke, who We are speaking through, will correct you.
Nobody will correct you, Church.And that is wrong.
That is why We allowed the New Birth Baptist Ministry in the suburb of Atlanta, Georgia to make an absolute fool of itself (on 2/7/06) while you have a standing president and that president’s father be dishonored by the inane gospel of the black Church, as well as that other president (Jimmy Carter.)
We allow this to happen as a wake up call for you to repent massively, which has been the call that this prophet has called for since the beginning of his teaching, and he will continue to do so until there is evidence that that starts happening.
For you are wrong.You have been of the wrong spirit, and you have not therefore been able even to discern even the right truth.And you have concentrated so greatly on extraction and extortion.And you are extremely good at what you do.
And you have great confidence so that you take a million dollar enterprise and make it a hundred million dollar enterprise with no fear that that can come crumbling around you, even though that happens to the biggest and sometimes even (to) the best of companies and enterprises on this earth.
You sirs, have become the great harlot.You have become mystery Babylon.You have become what was written about in the Book of Revelation: the absolute deceived.And unless, and unless, and unless mine elect had the time shortened for them, they too would have been deceived.
And this prophet who is speaking to you has supported financially the great Kenneth Copeland Ministry and even jets for him and for Jesse Duplantis.And in many ways We have allowed deception to run right through his brain and go into his pocket, that you might pick it and receive money that he should have never sent, that you should never have extracted.And you have done it to multitudes, and multitudes and multitudes.
Because:Now you are having a competition amongst yourself to have the greatest and fastest fleets of jets, not just one jet but fleets and fleets of jets that you have competition with yourself.And you believe that that is why We made the airports.And you believe that that is why executive jets exist:It is to put you in the lofty skies.
Well, you are already in the lofty skies of your own ignorance.You are already reaching into the depths of depravity that have never been reached before, which means you will have a worse, and a hotter and a lower place in hell than you ever can imagine unless you turn around and repent!
Because: Thus saith the Lord, your only plans to do with all of this executive jet, and executive travel and new technology to promulgate your message is simply to exalt yourself, to continue with the baby doctrine, (to) continue to find yourself to be the only entity in modern times that exists without correction, without rebuke and without crashing.
And it is a lie.Thus saith the Lord.
And you will find that you will not have fuel for your jets.You will find that you will not have money for your television ministry.You will find that you will not have money to make payroll.You will find that you will not have the health and prosperity that you have promised yourself because you have banked upon lie after lie.
And it is time to get real and get back to Our nature, which is why these tapings now are coming to you in the midst of Our nature.
Our snow, which I grab now in the hand of Robert Burke, is still cold.It is still cold to his touch.
[Points to stream.]
That little stream is still flowing, and still bubbling and still making noise.And these trees are still growing.And Our earth continues with the universal laws that were laid down since the beginning.
And you, in your pride and your arrogance, believe that you can have an organization that never ever is in error and never has correction.You believe that you can, as the people in Babylon did, grow your enterprise to the sky.And thus saith the Lord ,it will die before it grows to the sky.It will die before it grows to the sky.It will die before it grows to the sky.
And because of Our love, and because of Our mercy, which you believe is a blank ticket to do all sin in all time – no sirs, that is not true – (but) because of Our Love and Our mercy, and the fact that you have done some good, (you have continued) and you have brought people into the kingdom.
But as soon as you bring them into the kingdom, and away from sin, you put them into ever greater sin, believing that they can learn from you how to be conned by themselves and con, yea, even Us your God.
You put them at first into a blessing arena of rejecting sin and the ways of the world, and as soon as they buy your tapes, as soon as they attend your conferences and especially see what spirits you are of, as soon as you hop in those jets and go visit every place on earth so that they actually can see and visit you, then:
[Claps hands once.]
They learn that they can be abominable with abominable spirits which you are packing.The devils that you pack and promulgate then are sold through your DVDs, your website, your videos and they put the people into a deprived state of condition that is almost impossible to extract them out of.
And that is where you are, sirs, and gentlemen and ladies.And you have no idea of the trouble that you are in.Because when a person, and that is your sheep, get into that type of desperate, hot situation, how do they turn around?And that is going to be your job.
And this prophet of Ours is amazed at as many manifestations that We have done, that there is just no confirmation coming from you who should know better.
You cannot believe that you are being rebuked, and you will not receive it.
If you do not want to receive a rebuke, you do not want to grow; then what you are saying to Me, the Lord Jesus Christ; you are saying to the Holy Spirit; you are saying to Father God in no uncertain terms:You want to die.
We do not want you to die.We want you to live.
[Points to stream, picks up snow in right hand.]
We want you to enjoy the next spring, the next summer, the next fall; and grow in wisdom and stature and in favor with man and God.
But you are throwing that away, and you are growing in nothing but depravity, you are growing in nothing but deception and you are growing in nothing but abomination.
Knock it off this day.And come to the high country where the good way is, where truth is, where I am and you are not.
[A pause.]
We would that you would weep as you hear the weeping of this brook.
[Motions right hand to brook.]
It is not a time of glory, and celebration, and surprise, and blessing, and hallelujahs in church and that great stupid, soulish anointing that you bring in every time you try to make people feel good.
Why don’t you try to do something like truth?And let Us hear your assemblies for a long season weep!
[Again waves right hand toward stream.]
Weep!Weep!WEEP as this brook is bubbling!And weep in truth and in spirit!
And when We hear that, We will rejoice!
But right now you have Us in heaven weeping while you are rejoicing and rejecting truth.
[A pause.]
Weep now or wail later.
Weep now or wail later.
Weep now or wail later.
You will have one, or you will have the other.
Amen, and Amen and Amen.
9/10/08
Pinpoint Liquidation vs. Systempunkt – As we watch broadcast Christianity resist change, resist doctrinal reform and resist God’s corrective hand; we might ask what is it God wants?We know broadcast Christian doctrine (i.e. TBN) is horribly egregious.We know it puts its ministry leaders in the ditch.We see leaders fall.Does God want to pinpoint liquidate bad apples or break the barrel that holds them (Systempunkt)?According to Wikipedia, Systempunkt is a point in a system reactive to many small interactions, in which a network of disruptions cause a cascading collapse of the target enterprise.The term comes from the Nazi Blitzkrieg warfare wherein Heinz Guderian said, “Don’t fiddle, smash!”
Employing Underground Insurgents – In John Robb’s writings on open source warfare, he says local underground insurgents can be employed by the US military to obtain Systempunkt victory over the enemy when victory is not possible by other means.So perhaps God has used the government (i.e. US Senate Finance Committee with power of subpoena) along with underground insurgents who have a) local knowledge (i.e. Trinity Foundation, et al), unconstrained tactics (dumpster diving, imbedded employment, donation abuse call center, etc.), and high levels of motivation (i.e. doppelganger website bloggers who aggregate truth for the cause without pay.)
Wars Have Two Fronts – Modern wars have two fronts: the actual fighting area and the spirit of the nation itself.In effect there is the literal war and there is the public relations war for the nation’s spirit.So if God is warring against the flaky prophetic-conference broadcast church, the Todd Bentley Florida revival meltdown appears to be crushing both Bentley’s leadership credibility (Pinpoint Liquidation,) and its circle of leadership wide swath (breaking the spirit of flaky-prophetic conference business.)Ditto for prosperity shills who are shown to be rapacious wolves in sheep’s clothing, hell bent on excess.
Solid Rock vs. Shaky Ground – All these martial observations could be debated.However there is no arguing that broadcast Christianity and prophetic-conference Christianity appear to not stand on solid rock doctrines, but much prefer the shaky ground of false dogma.When open and public repentance will come is uncertain.
Truth Always Wins – Who wins this war of attrition is perfectly clear to predict.Truth always win.Time is simply slow-motion truth.Truth and its good doctrines will win and false-doctrine ministries and their lies will lose.Lies always lose.Truth always wins.
Our Doctrines Should Make Us – Our doctrines should make us good.Everyone has their own doctrines on how to live.Not all are good.If a televangelist is more than a little egomaniacal, then beware his doctrine.If a church is ridiculously weak, beware its doctrine.If an evangelist begs for a $20 million jet, beware his doctrine.If you or I are doing something wrong, we must reject our doctrine that allows it.The doctrine of eternal security makes extraordinarily weak followers.The pity is in the United States, weak Christians are becoming the definition of a Christian.The doctrine of Jesus-did-it-all-and-He’s-returning-to-do-what-we-are-too-weak-to-consider also makes weak Christians.The escapology doctrine of the rapture, alas, also makes weak believers.Then its leaders manifest that fly-away weakness by, well, flying away in outrageously expensive jets.The sister of weakness is cowardice.Cowards cannot find the bravery to realize they might be weak, and that the weakness is from core doctrinal beliefs.So the wayward church is in a satanic endless loop.Easy on self doctrine has made them selfish, easy and weak.With the big three selfish doctrines of eternal security, Jesus-returns-to-reward-us-not-rebuke-us and rapture escapology come other monster doctrines.The selfish wayward church must disbelieve there are no rules, only guidelines – so they put selfish, self-interested rules above God, who is above rules.And the main rule for them, don’t you know, is – surprise, surprise – tithing.And they cannot be satiated with that, so they add to tithes: love gifts and offerings.Then when a prophet (or a fool) comes along and says this wayward church is abominable and has made itself almost impossible for Christ to return indwelling, the weak and wayward church does… nothing.
Overwhelming Scourge, Part 1– (Isaiah 28:15-18) We in modernity sometimes have a difficult time imagining what God might be able to do in the spirit realm.Imagine if there were six thousand spirits in each of us.We would hope that most of our spirits are good and few evil.Now imagine that bad people might have a high percentage of their spirits being evil.Likewise good people would mostly have good spirits.We could even imagine that two thousand years ago when Jesus walked the earth, one hundred percent of His spirits were good.Now, imagine if Father God could turn a switch, and send a strong scourge of evil spirits flowing – or overflowing – through the planet.And imagine if these scourging spirits, say rage and anger, passed through the planet and while they could not be seen by the naked eye, they did affect humans powerfully.Imagine that anybody who was harboring empowered spirits of rage and anger in their souls on the planet; imagine that their rage and anger became activated and increased by the scourging spirits of rage and anger.So what would happen would be that people with spirits of rage and anger would find themselves suddenly activated in rage and anger.They would powerfully manifest those ugly spirits, and know not why.There would be no place to hide, no relief and no solution for them other than to find God’s biblical path of repentance, forgiveness, faith and fellowship with God.This removes the demons in a person’s soul.Little else has much success.Then God lets loose another scourge of overflowing spirits, this time perhaps greed and self-exaltation.Those people of the earth with unexamined greed and self-exaltation might find themselves doing very large and very stupid greedy and self-exalting things.And they would not know why.They would not see the Overwhelming Scourge.They would not know what it does to them.They would only know that suddenly they were not able to control their evil spirits.So God uses this as a self-discovery tool.He knows what spirits we are of.Most of us do not.The Overwhelming Scourge makes the worst of us self-destruct.It makes the better of us repent.The best of us, which does not include this author, are not affected by Overwhelming Scourges because so little evil is in such souls.In movies we can witness evil spirits being stirred up by others.A scene from True Grit shows a classic stirring of evil spirits.Rooster Cogburn, played by John Wayne, interrogates two brothers, one who has a good soul and one who does not.The bad brother is plucking feathers from a turkey in a most disturbing and agitated way.Cogburn keeps up with his hard interrogation (plucking truth from lies) until the bad man suddenly kills his good brother.The bad man’s spirits came out suddenly and manifested.That is what happens in an Overwhelming Scourge.It catches all who have like spirits.Sometimes God will pour out beneficial spirits, such as love, compassion or peace.Those who have these spirits strongly residing in themselves will then have opportunity to strengthen and magnify those good spirits in their souls.But evil people cannot receive increased portions of good spirits, because they harbor so few and so disempowered good spirits within themselves.This then, is the Old Testament’s Day of the Lord, or Day of Wrath or In That Day.
Overwhelming Scourge, Part 2 – The skeptics are right that this doctrine cannot ever be proved.But if you can believe the Bible, if you can believe Jesus and if you can believe the witness of your own spirits, you might be able to believe that In That Day has come and with it God’s Overwhelming Scourge.Like Amos says, it is a dark time for most (because their dark spirits will be activated) while it is a bright time for few (because their stellar spirits will be activated.)Escapologists have misinterpreted events and disbelieved any spiritually scourging process.They have made lies their refuge, they have hid under falsehoods and made covenants with death.The story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde comes to mind.Those believing themselves to be good Christians citizens may find themselves suddenly becoming horrible monsters during spiritual scourges.True Christians will be stirred to lesser extents.But all who are stirred have opportunity to repent and remove evil spirits activated.Law enforcers and prison keepers have observed that criminal activities come in waves.This is one explanation.God is revealing through His mysterious scourging just who is who.The tares are being sifted from the wheat.God is in control of this strange sieve work.And God can select when and to whom the scourging is applied.This keeps the process hidden from carnal eyes but simultaneously seen by spiritual eyes.
Overwhelming Scourge, Part 3 – It is a time to prepare for the Lord’s coming indwelling.We must repent of harboring evil spirits, confess our not-so-hidden sins, witness a strong enough character to disallow evil manifestations, pray for God’s mercy and ask for God’s grace, which is His Divine enablement in you.This is described in Revelation 12:11.“And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb (obeying Christ by repenting and receiving His forgiveness from the Cross) and by the word of the testimony (by being a witness of overcoming of evil spirits in one’s own soul) and they loved not their lives unto the death.”Ever notice the greatest movies sometimes have magnificent portrayals of Divine self-sacrifice?While some preachers preach prosperity, they model insatiable avarice.While some preach rapture escapology, they acquire significant assets for benefit of retirement and heirs.While some ministers preach the value of a sinless and open life, their ministry finances and expense-paid extravagant lifestyle costs are hidden from sight.While some ministers preach God rebukes whom He loves, they will not take corrections from independent ministry watch groups, the media or anybody else God might send their way.Meanwhile, our movies often preach the way of self-sacrifice.“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man layeth down his life for his friends.”(John 15:13)We know the future, but we pretend we do not.The future will be good for the self-sacrificing and bad for the self-serving.Most good movies tell us this.The Good Book tells us this.Some mega-star televangelists preach the way of self sacrifice, but personally demonstrate gross self interest.As Jesus said:Do what they say, not what they do.
Location:Robert speaks to the camera as he is seated in his car at a lot he owns near Mount Rose Highway in Reno, Nevada.The scene presents three doors.Robert places a small statue of Jesus standing in front of a wooden door on his driver’s door, through which window can be seen a door to a shed.
Regarding: Revelation 3:20, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock”; The Movie Monsters, Inc. is discussed regarding its portal doors from a monster factory to children’s bedrooms; The wayward body of Christ lacks emphasis regarding our spiritual door to Jesus:
Robert reads from a yellow pad dated October 16, 2006:
Where, where, where, says the Lord your God, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Alpha and the Omega, where in the Old Testament does it say there can be no New Testament?
Where again, I ask, does it say in the New Testament there can be no more testaments?Where in My Bible, says the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, does it say My hands are tied and I cannot do a new thing?
Well, says the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, in the bible of your mind, you say I am dead and My hands are tied.In the bible of your mind you say Father God is dead.And in the bible of the mind of the wayward Church of Christianity, you say the Holy Spirit is not the teacher of all things, but the dead spirit of a dead god.
But this present God, your Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, says today is the day of a new testament, the In That Day Testament of the In That Day Teachings of Robert Winkler Burke of Reno, Nevada.And the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth says, This is not the only testament, but that it is part of a greater testament.
And what is that testament, you ask of Me?
In that day, which this day is, the earth of people shall experience a spiritual scourging, as mentioned in Isaiah 28.In that day, which this day is, the earth of people shall have turned judgment and righteousness into wormwood and poison, as mentioned in Amos.And in that day, which this day is, the earth of people shall come alive to My Spirit, as mentioned in Joel.
Hearken unto the voice of the Lord! you unbelievers of My Bible, saith the Lord.Hearken unto the voice of truth! you deceived and deceivers, saith God.Hearken unto the voice of the Spirit of God! you vain people of false religion.
Today is the day of wrath of the Lord, a day of darkness and not light, a day of trembling, a day of fear and a day of great confusion.
And now, and now, and now comes a new testament and the voice of a prophet crying out in the wilderness, saying:Repent!Weep!Let loose of wrong doctrine!Be renewed by receiving truth into your souls! Come alive this day to the Lord your God!
And you are shocked.You are astonished.And you are in unbelief.
The testament of today requires another sacrifice.Not the sacrifice of animals.Not the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.But rather, the testament of today requires the sacrifice of your own self on the throne.
The battle of Armageddon is the battle of self.
Choose you this day your God:The God of the Bible or the god of selfishness.One lives in humility, the other in pride; one in significance, the other in vanity; one in light, one in darkness; one in truth and fellowship [with God,] the other in lies and fellowship with deceiving spirits.
Choose you this day, a God that is entirely good or a deceived god of craven spirit that is entirely bad.
In two thousand years not all that has been done in my nominal name has been good, saith the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.But much has been accomplished in My nature.For in truth, My name is My nature, saith the Lord.And My nature is entirely good.
That is My witness.What is your witness? saith the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Have you removed self from the throne of your life?Are you still making every decision of your life without Me?Are you still in confusion about how I return to earth in this day?
Behold, I come quickly in all whom I can.
Can I come in your life if you believe you are so weak that My strength is only in being a sudden, at-any-moment, rescue-and-remove kind of god?Rather, My strength is being a God that died on the cross to become strength in you, manifesting in you and allowing the earth to witness My return, and remedy and rejoicing in that day in you!
That is the testament of today.That is the hidden message now revealed for all who have eyes to see.It is a message, yea, sung in your songs, celebrated in your movies and now on internet video and in print for you to better understand.
Believe My prophets and prosper.Believe in Me and be ye established.Believe My Spirit can teach you all things.
See how the religious establishment of the day is in so many ways, not unlike the religious establishment of My day two thousand years ago.The religious lawyers then and now have taken away the key of knowledge, which is receiving the fullness of the Holy Spirit of God.
Be baptized in the water of repentance and the fire of My Spirit of overcoming.
Truly, truly I say unto you, die to self, die to intellectual Christianity, die to vain thoughts in which We can never abide.Prepare your desolate mansions for Our indwelling.
Prepare for the restoration of all things, starting with your spirit.Let the fires of Our refining, the pinching of Our tongs, the blows of Our hammers and the breath of Our Spirit renew you today.
Receive, then, the ultimate solution for the world, which is the living God in you fully and you fully living in God:Die to self, live in God.
Behold the truth of God’s Spirit abiding in man again.Behold the death of enmity to God, which is carnal thinking, which especially is enmity to manifestation of Our love, which is Our Spirit, which includes miracles, healing, casting out demons and all revelation of truth.
Behold the revelation of God in man in this day.Behold the restoration of all things.
Behold the continual revelation of the In That Day Testaments, which is you living your dead-to-self lives in Me, your God and savior and friend, knowing and having the love of My Father, and creating a new heaven on earth, which is truth and spirit in worship and wonder and awe and significance.
The Lord your God says, Die to self.Live in Me.And behold Me as I come quickly to live in you!
Behold, I come quickly to live in you!
Amen, and Amen and Amen.
9/9/08
Prophets Blinded by Wrong Doxie – The modern church of broadcast wants to preach about God’s future, but if the rapture is false dogma, which it is, then the broadcast church gets the future completely wrong.Rapture dogma (and all other escapist doctrines of the wayward broadcasters) makes broadcast preachers extraordinarily blind to the truth of tomorrow.Conversely, disavowing the rapture doxie gives future insight.Thus, the true future of the wayward broadcast church is to disavow all escapist doctrine so that broadcast sight is enabled.
Three Thousand of Years of Truth
While Many Wait in Stupor Expecting Christ’s Return
Others Generally Unrecognized Manifest God’s Truth
Just before 1,000 A.D. many Christians wanted to know, would the Lord return?Many said, yes, the Lord will come at any moment.They longed to see Jesus.
But a prophet came along who said that Jesus returns in our hearts, when we are prepared.He called to remembrance the saints of the past millennia, even great leaders and generals, even great commoners.He said their greatness was due to being indwelt by God.He said in such as are indwelt, you can see the face of Jesus.
Further, this prophet said that just as God indwelt saints since His resurrection, he would continue to do so in the future.He said to watch for leaders in religion, science, politics, industry, poetry, literature, music and all areas of human life.These leaders would draw the world from darkness to light as they fought against poverty, slavery, drudgery, hatred and all forms of low character.And many leaders would be unrecognized commoners.
He said that the human race had come a long way, but had further need to progress in being indwelt of God.He said the past thousand years was proof enough of mankind’s godless depravity but also angelic reach.
He said, “Jesus’ literal return is His coming in our hearts.Can’t you see?”
The people couldn’t see anything but their own anger against the prophet.They preferred a more lazy approach to Jesus’ return.So they pleaded with the authorities to do something to stop this persecution of their indolent spirits.
So the authorities decided to arrest the prophet and cut off his tongue.Before his moment of silencing came, they asked if he had any last words to say.
The prophet said, “I have a vision of one thousand years from now, in the year 2,000!People will be like they are now, again expecting the literal return of Jesus.And they will be driven by jealousy and laziness to not honor the great ones of history or of their time because of their need for an easy religion waiting only for God’s coming.
“And other prophets will come two thousand years after Christ’s birth.And they will say Christ comes in your hearts to bring life.And they will be despised, as I am despised.
“The future will be dark for those with darkened hearts, but will be light for those with God’s light in their hearts.Weep for yourselves in darkness, or rejoice if you are in God’s light!God has given you the gift of your future. Take God’s gift to you!”
And with that, the authorities took the tongue out of the prophet’s mouth.They said, “Surely this man is a fool.Jesus will come at any moment.”
And at that moment Jesus came and judged them for their deeds.But they saw nothing.And since then such who continue to see nothing steadfastly profess that Jesus will return at any moment in a manifested body… as long as it is nobody on earth.
But for two thousand years Jesus has manifested in whom the covetous, the false witnesses, the thieves, the adulterers, the murderers, the dishonorable, the blasphemers, the vain, the idolatrous and the godless pretenders say He cannot.For such as Jesus can inhabit are superior to those He cannot.
And those in whom God cannot yet inhabit sometimes are shepherds who teach what they only know themselves, which is that God does not return in their own spirit.But God does indwell in the pure, the noble, the humble and the always present remnant, which is alive to the always present God.
God even returns in those who are not aware of it, even in those who teach God has not yet returned.They do not discern when God is manifesting in themselves and when He is not.Great are the paradoxes of God and the mysteries of this life He has given us.
But God’s saints seem to live in a different field of force, an unseen aura of God, in which there are no coincidences, but rather an abundance of miracles, chastisements, rebukes, awesome tests of character, divine empowerment, wonders, signs and love.
Thus has truth manifested itself in the past.Thus does truth manifest in the present.And thus will truth manifest itself in the future.This: despite church teachings to the contrary.
And some day truth will be known in the faces of others in whom is seen God.And this cloud of witnesses, manifesting the Lord Jesus Christ, shall do our Father’s will on earth, which will result in greater like-minded peace among the peaceful, which is the restoration of all things.This: while the evil-hearted continue to eliminate themselves through their own self-destructive, chaotic ways.
Thus begins the next thousand years.Will people manifest Christ now or wait a return?
And what will the prophets ten centuries from now in 3,000 A.D. say about your life and your family that came after you?And what will have been your part in God’s kingdom struggle on earth at the turn of the next millennium?
Will we have created the greatest thousand years of truth the world has ever seen?Or will we have waited, while Jesus was knocking on our door, for truth to arrive?
9/8/08
More Insight on the Lakeland Revival Blues:
Bad doctrines drive broadcast preachers into the ditch.
The broadcast church is undergoing so much chaos because its wrong doctrines are uncorrected and presented as truths.The broadcast church has so many uncorrected leaders because they don't believe there are actual, absolute truths in doctrine. This extreme moral relativity in doctrine is causing the broadcast church to crumble.
Some day the leaders of broadcast Christianity must correct their wrong doctrines.
Carnal and Spiritual Homes Compared
Tips on Remodeling That Old Spirit
The following compares physical homes to spiritual bodies using allegories found throughout the Bible.For clarity the carnal world is presented in regular font while spiritual in italic.
Foundations of homes rest on rock or sand.Spiritual foundations rest on foundational truths of God or foundational lies of Satan (i.e. God is good or not good.)
Walls are made of bricks or wood.Spiritual doctrines are made of truths or lies.
Nails hold wood members of a wall together.Self sacrifice holds truths together.Bad nails or screws allow wood members of a wall to fall apart.Self serving persons cannot bind truths into doctrines that will stand up.
Good mortar holds bricks of a wall together.The honor, character and proclamation of a herald holds doctrines of truth together. Pitch cannot hold bricks of a wall together.The dishonor and disrepute of a herald cannot bind truths into doctrines that will stand up.
Within walls live people.Within good doctrines live good spirits and within bad doctrines live evil spirits.
Walls can build a house with a master bedroom for the owner.Doctrines build an abode with a throne room for the master.
An owner of a home can have invited and uninvited guests.A master of a spiritual abode can have invited and uninvited spirits.
A clean home has little dirt or trash.A clean spiritual abode has few evil spirits.
Walls have doors so people can come in or go out.Doctrines have spiritual gateways so spirits can come in or go out.
Walls have windows so people inside can see without and people outside can see within.Doctrines enable spiritual eyes and ears of masters of abodes to spiritually see without and others to see within.Clear windows enable great vision while dirty windows limit it.Good doctrines enable great spiritual vision while bad doctrines severely limit it.
A home can have self-defense tools (locks, alarms, sticks, knives, guns) to defend against harm.A spiritual abode can have self-defense spiritual tools (prayer, angelic help, commitments and words from the Bible, or God, or evil writings, or Satan) to defend against harm.
Homes have plumbing and sewer systems to wash things clean and eliminate waste.Spiritual abodes have repentance and forgiveness systems to wash things clean and eliminate waste.
Homes have media systems (phone, radio, television, cable, satellite, internet) to give and receive information.Abodes have spiritual two-way radios, dreams, visions, mind empowering systems to give and receive information.Homes have garages for vehicles.Spiritual abodes have out-of-body travel systems, for good or evil transportation.
Homes have power systems (electrical, gas, thermal, solar) to supply cooling, heat and energy to change things.Spiritual abodes have godly or satanic power systems to change things.
Homes have garbage removal mechanisms and services.Spiritual abodes have spiritual garbage removal mechanisms and services, including deliverance, fasting and prayer.
Homes have roofs to provide shelter from the raw elements of nature.Spiritual abodes have coverings to provide shelter from raw spiritual elements.Bright homes allow in more light with sun rooms and sun roofs.Dark homes remain shuttered and dim.Good spiritual abodes let in the great light of God’s Son, evil abodes allow in great darkness of Satan.
If a home is beset with troubles because it has bad foundations and walls, then the bad parts must be discovered, removed and replaced with good parts.If a spiritual abode is beset with troubles because it has foundational lies and wrong doctrines, then the bad parts must be discovered, removed and replaced with good parts.Home remodeling can be extremely difficult for the owner in time, expense and aggravation.Spiritual renewal can be extremely difficult for the owner in time, expense and aggravation.A remodeled home can go up in value.A renewed spiritual abode can go up in value.
A home can be paid in full to the previous seller or it can have a mortgage with a loan company to whom collections are due.A spiritual abode can be fully paid (to God or Satan) or it can have debts (to God or Satan) to whom collections are due.Most do not have the election to pay their mortgage early.Some elect to do so.
Historic homes can be preserved, cherished and visited by preservationists, who might wish their homes were so set.Historic spiritual abodes can be preserved, cherished and visited by preservationists, who might wish their abodes were so set.
Homes create cities, which create nations; their common bond being natural proximity to each other.Spiritual abodes create spiritual cities, which create spiritual nations; their common bond being spiritual proximity to God or Satan.
Generally speaking as a home is carnally, so is an abode spiritually.The spiritual world is superior and results in everything that makes up the carnal world.
The Parable of the Car Prophets
Prophets Rock and Roll with Good Time Prophecies
While the Unchanging Church Backfires in First Gear
(This story compares differences between 1957 Chevrolet and 2007 Audi A8 sedans.)
Back in 1957 there were four prophets to the car industry: Bob, Tom, Dick and Harry.Tom, Dick and Harry spoke breathlessly and agitatedly as follows:
In the next 50 years cars will be…
Awesome, cutting edge, significant, soaked in luxury, at a new level, in sync with the environment, shaking the old order, high technology, dread champions of mileage, taken to new levels of power, called to a higher transport and raised to higher emissions purity.And the industry leaders will be shaken to the core, there will be a new vision of how to navigate, cars will change like butterflies, the world will have incredible expectation of automobiles, people in the auto industry will find new ways to prosper, there will be a change of rhythm of manufacturing and it will be tumultuous but equations will equal.
People were really impressed with Tom, Dick and Harry.They paid them glorious accolades because what they said was nebulous and pleasing to everyone.
However, Bob spoke with authority as follows:
In the next 50 years carmakers must…
Stop using drum brakes on all wheels............ And use discs with antilock brake systems.
Stop using iron engine heads & blocks.......... And use aluminum low-emission engines.
Stop using two valves per cylinder................ And use four.
Stop using carburetors................................... And use fuel stratified injection.
Stop using regular leaded gas........................ And use premium unleaded gas.
Stop using 14” metal wheels.......................... And use 19” aluminum.
Stop using nylon bias tires............................. And use radial.
Stop using steel frames & bodies................... And use aluminum.
Stop using generators..................................... And use alternators.
Stop using tube radios................................... And use navigation/CD/satellite radios.
Stop using just one radio speaker.................. And use twelve entertainment speakers.
Stop using metal dashboards......................... And use soft materials and air bags.
Stop using solid rear axles............................. And use all wheel independent suspension.
Stop using two speed transmissions.............. And use six.
Stop using two-wheel drive........................... And use four.
But people hated listening to Bob.No one wanted to hear him or read his words.He was right, but it was not music to anyone’s itching ears since it involved hard, actual change.
In 2007 a fellow by the name of Robert Winkler Burke said the modern media church which broadcasts its message through the United States and by satellite around the world must…
Stop preaching the lie of the rapture.............. And preach God’s overwhelming scourge.
Stop waiting for God to manifest Himself.... And preach we must manifest God Himself.
Stop preaching dispensational fear................ And preach overcoming peace.
Stop dreading a governmental mark of 666.. And preach it is a mark of spirit, soul, body.
Stop preaching in outrageously evil spirits.... And worship God in spirit and truth.
Stop modeling greed and self-interest........... And be non-profit leaders of non-profits.
Stop insisting God’s rules are inviolate......... And preach God delights in breaking rules.
Stop extorting and demanding tithes............ And preach Jesus criticized tithing people.
Stop preaching eternal security...................... And preach only God guarantees absolution.
Stop preaching foreign affairs intrigue.......... And preach personal overcoming of evil.
Stop purchasing costly jets with donations... And travel with commoners and be humble.
Stop preaching fear of a Euro-anti-christ....... And be sure not to be of any ungodly spirit.
Stop pandering to spirits of envy of success. And preach fear of God and His scourging.
Stop selling each other’s evil books............... And promote listening to the spoken Bible.
Stop idolizing easy-on-the-ears “prophets”... And allow rebuking prophets to speak truth.
Stop praying for an uncorrected revival........ And repent of being unworthy of revival.
Stop preaching six-day creationism............... And admit the earth is as old as science says.
Stop cursing who comes in God’s nature...... And bless those who come in God’s nature.
Stop fighting the ACLU’s efforts................. And fight the Church’s efforts to deny God.
Stop fighting the full baptism of the Spirit.... And encourage full baptism of the Spirit.
Stop fighting the full baptism of the Fire...... And encourage full baptism of the Fire.
Stop evil controlling techniques in crowds.... And repent massively of using evil control.
Stop preaching only “about” Jesus................ And manifest His essence so others learn.
9/7/08
Deceiving Spirits Use Veils, Part 1 – Unfortunately, the wayward church is overflowing with examples of how a sincere person can use deceiving veils of spirits to hide the truth.A leading rapture proponent, who will remain unnamed, continually promotes his vast business and military experience.Why?Because people espousing the rapture sound really, really dumb; if you have ears to hear spiritually.So this man must use a counter-veil.His ministry boasts of his high-security-military/board of directors/entrepreneurial-acumen self.Even Presidential contenders would wish to God they had his perfect resume.Only it is a ruse.If his escapology doxie was true, he would have no need for the egregious, aggrandizing self-promotion.Similarly, prosperity preacher use their regal gold watches, oversize jewelry, big hair, exquisite suits and magnificent stage sets and such as a counter-veil to their self-serving non-profit-laundry-back-their-lifestyle machines.By pandering to a donor’s envy, they extract the donor’s money!It is illogical, but veils make it work.Veils are reality distortion or logic distortion devices.And wolves use these devices to prey on the sheep.Another example are preachers who have nothing really to say about God except that they enjoy glorifying and enriching themselves.Here is the counter-veil ruse:They ask the “how many of you” question in regards to having had painful experiences in life – followed by the mantra, “I am here to tell you…God is good!”Well, duh.But if you repeat the litany sixty times with every terrible woe known to mankind, you can get people standing, heads wagging and contributions overflowing.The trick is to get an un-pained audience to reflect on past horrific pains, manically rejoice over a god-mantra and subsequently feel good and guilty enough to contribute to the grand poobah hypnotist’s organization.Which if properly structured is a veiled self-enrichment laundering device.Here is how to do it.Make the organization a non-profit.Then use the above mentioned veiling techniques to obtain funds to promote the enterprise.Since the business is non-profit, the promoter can appear to work “selflessly” (smile) to continue the enterprise’s goodly message (which might be veiled self-promotion tagged on to a good thing, like God.)Then, the promoter uses the non-profit organization to heavily pitch his or her for-profit books, movies and other royalty items.Add quid pro quo guests for the broadcasting non-profits to shill each other’s for profit items, and bingo, you are well on your way to becoming a faith billionaire.God is good, but He doesn’t like us employing such veiling spirits to deceive psyches.(Is it too much to ask pastors who collect royalties for books promoted through their non-profits to return those royalties to the non-profits?)
Deceiving Spirits Use Veils, Part 2 –To sell lies, some wolves use the veiling spirits of fear. Eschatologists employ lots of juicy, fearful, high-brow international relations intrigue.What international relations have to do with universal truths of God is not clear. But drumming up fear through international relations gossip makes sense if you need to have a fear-based veil to hide the unholy writ of dispensational doctrine.Then, you hold a no-prophet “prophecy” seminar...or you have an over-intellectual kind of ministry (pardon if this sounds harsh) and somewhere along the line, yup, somebody has got to sell books!(Or survival food, gold coins, etc.)So you have another non-profit run by self-sacrificing saints (grin) whose leaders, oh by the way, just happen to have a few books lying around...Want to buy one from our booth just outside the seminar? Or if you are hearing this on radio, ahem, our non-profit will send it to you for a bargain-value donation.Our volunteers or non-profit staffers can take your money and launder it my way.Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.It is a pattern that groups we know are in error use, i.e. the prosperity message group.But it is also a pattern used by charismatic, Pentecostal, immature earth believers, apologists, Christian critics and other groups.It is just not a pattern you see in the Bible. Ever wonder why?
Deceiving Spirits Use Veils, Part 3 –Once a practitioner succeeds at a certain level it is time for more refined means of travel; to keep up with other non-profit (hee-hee!) Jones and away from suspicious donors.But rather than rely on personal funds from media royalties, the goal is to dip back into the non-profit donorsto fund the (drool, drool) executive jet and five-star expense account lifestyle.Never mind the cost.Never mind the justification.Everyone is doing it, so it must be OK!It also seems fine to use the non-profit to fund home number two or three at, of course, posh working locations.However, by the time complaints are lodged by watch groups, it is easy enough to take royalty revenues and buy properties for the family trust anyway.And it is fun to fly one’s own jet (with the family on the non-profit payroll) to exotic international destinations, which may have more sophist partners to cull than in the saturated US market!The beauty of it all is that the royalty work is really low caliber and easy to create stuff (sometimes ghost written) because anything, just about, sells to the dupes supporting the non-profit’s effort.Once momentum builds, the vapid pabulum (but it always must be called “life-changing”) sells amazingly well even on the open market!Indeed, how can such guru wares be much more than junk food for the soul, considering that the authors’ doctrines include personally choosing lower means over higher morals?At the end of a successful career, the invested royalty money creates a comfy cash flow and there is no need to continue to work, worry or pay back the vehicle that enabled it all – the non-profit.After all, it is non-profit, right?Caveat emptor, bruddah!
Deceiving Spirits Use Veils, Part 4 –Every human being is part good, part evil.Unfortunately, this means we all do variations on the above.Robert Winkler Burke admits it.I do not always get victory over the spirit of greed.Maybe someday others might enjoy doing a me culpa.What are we going to do?We are by nature sinful.We want to serve God.Then we serve ourselves.Some of us do a better job at limiting the self service.(Alas, as of this writing I am executive jet/mega-income/lifestyle-of-the-rich-and-foolish challenged.)Jesus seems to have done a pretty good job of unselfish ministry.Maybe I’ll write a book about it… that will sell well.Oops, there I go again.And think:If I, a sinner, see this little of what is going on, Holy God sees how much?
De Nile is a River in Egypt– If God grants you the grace (Divine enablement) to have eyes to see spiritually and ears to hear spiritually here is what you will find:Denial.You will find it here, there and everywhere.And here is what you will bring here, there and everywhere:Truth, which is the kingdom of heaven.And people without truth will be rather uncomfortable around you.And people with truth will greet you like a long lost brother or sister.And they will usually be in humble situations.They typically will not be leading large institutions because by definition, large institutions tend to have enough compromise required of its leaders as to make them sufficiently corrupt to no longer hearken unto truth.Truth just bothers them, and if you’ve got truth in you – you are to them the greatest bother.That’s why characters like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln are so beloved.Apparently, they rose in authority without compromising their souls.Then there are the greats of the Bible which we hear preached to us by so many compromised souls.And having truth in you, or more specifically, the life of God’s Spirit in you is to the world, called Egypt by the Bible, very subjective.But to brothers and sisters in Christ, it is not subjective at all really.The beloved of God love the beloved of God.God’s indwelt operate on a certain harmonic frequency with the universe such that they are generally in sync with all that is good and God.The rest simply are not.So the rest like to kill the God-bearers, because they are such a hellacious bother to their pride.And the killers are, if true to type, the religious order of the day.Except nowadays it is extraordinary difficult to crucify God’s messengers, so the only option is to ignore a certain prophetic truth.And what is this prophetic truth?It is Christ’s life in you witnessing the absence of Christ’s life in much of modern Christianity.Modern Christianity’s praise is weak because its doctrine worships weakness.Christ has a hard time coming and indwelling in modern Christians because their theology is so escapist with belief in the false doctrines of beam-us-out-of-here rapture, Christ’s return to fix all things but escapist believers and eternal do-nothing security.Behold, Christ cannot come in them because their spiritual abodes have too many demons.They have too many demons because of the rights granted to the demons to indwell the Christ-in-name-only vapid abodes.The demons have a right to stay indwelt in vapid abodes because of the so-called Christian doctrines they believe.They will not change their ghoulish anti-christ dogma because it is taught and preached throughout the earth as being the norm.This is why much of what is broadcast around the world as being Christianity is often just a huge reality distortion field, requiring huge sums of money to propagate.And it results in strangeness denied – like the fraud of $20 million must-have jets, the bizarre focus on international relations intrigue, the baby-milk gospel repeated incessantly while mature sections of God’s word are eternally ignored.And more than anything, it takes a lot of denial.It takes tons of denial.To have millions and millions of vapid Christians in life-long ignorance of huge quantities of scripture regarding the end-times goal of Christ living and being in holy vessels, well that takes a lot of denial.To have so many people live and believe and support a vapid form of in-name-only Christianity that never understands or lives the Bible’s last page – now that takes a lot of denial.To never be spirit indwelt, and live life in God’s unpredictably wonderful river of there-are-no-rules-only-guidelines life; to never praise and bless another for manifesting Christ in maturity; to never have Christ come quickly in your life; and most especially to never have Christ come quickly in your Christian leader’s life – well now that takes a lot of denial.It takes a river of denial to believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit distant and far from indwelling most believers.Now, that takes denial.It takes the biggest river in Egypt to do that.And Satan delivers every time: It’s de Nile.
Dispensational Dingdongs – Preachers who know more about one-world global intrigue than most of hell’s angels are perhaps doing the work of hell’s angels.Dispensational dingdong doctrines change over time to continue to appear true.The main thing they promulgate is fear.Most of their doctrine will never prove to be true, because God refuses to cooperate.Therefore, most of their predicted events must keep shifting to a further point in the future.(i.e. fear the WWII Nazis; no, fear the Cold War Soviets; no, fear Y2K; no, fear the Chinese; no, fear the Muslim terrorists; no, fear technology; no, fear the coming anti-christ; no, fear the Russians again; no, fear a date again… perhaps 2033; no, fear the Chinese again; etc.)The main thing they accomplish is filling the minds of their followers with thoughts designed to prevent Christians from hearing, obeying, manifesting and pleasing God.Their so-called “prophecy conferences” usually contain no prophets, but usually do contain some method of extracting your money.Why does everything always come back to extracting money?Jesus blasted extortion in his red letters of the Bible.He overturned the money tables at the temple.The zeal of the Lord ate Him up.Alas.Alack.But meantime, back in modern times some of us sheep are making great meals for some hungry shepherds.
Doctrine-Driven Difficulties– The egregious self-interest we see in modern television ministries is driven by its self-interest doctrines.In other words, doctrines are the horse that delivers the ministry cart into either heaven or a ditch.You become as you believe.To borrow a line from Casablanca, the In That Day Teachings keep rounding up the usual suspects:They are the keep-self-on-the-throne, cop-out-on-future-character-growth, God-does-it-all-we-do-nothing, big easy three:The Rapture escapology guaranteeing a beam-us-out-of-here-sky-ride-to-heaven, the Immanent Second Return of Christ to fix all ills but our own problems making it impossible for Him to indwell us now, and Eternal Security guaranteeing a reward from God for doing nothing for God but agreeing with the demons that God is, well, God.The consuming self-interest of modern television ministries is proof that their self-interested doctrines are wrong.Their sinful doctrine makes them totally deceived as to their errors, and they boldly go about their brazen sinful ways.The remedy is disavowal of the dumb doctrines.But now it is a Christian catastrophe, self-inflicted and self-denied, of epic proportions.These three deadly doctrines make up the table of vomit mentioned in Isaiah 28:8.The chapter’s previous verses state the error first comes through wine, which stands for pride and self exaltation, and strong drink, which stands for deification of self.This is what those television lights have done to its ministers, who have not been able to check the sin of self glorification throughout the years.So they must remain infantile theological Lilliputians, only able to preach babyish milked-down Christian pabulum.Why has God allowed broadcast ministries to do this?Why has He shown gross self-interest ministries preaching gross self-interest doctrines?Because God is showing the world the result of what a fool believes.God has allowed the grossly excessive self-interest to make everyone dead certain what is so dead wrong.Selah.From all of this much can be learned about Satan.The above-mentioned ministries may be in great deception.Yet tell-tale signs abound.The ministries expend huge amounts of time, money and life-force to project their false reality distortion fields with elaborate media productions, stage sets and controlled convention environs.Its leaders sequester themselves from the reality of the public.Its leaders deal primarily in peer groups with virtual no corrections in decades.Its followers are blind to watch-group common-sense criticisms of glaringly obvious financial shenanigans.Its leaders answer no questions from the public.Its leaders disclose few financial reports.Its leaders claim to be insiders with God such that no outsider, not any news organization, no government entity and especially no prophet can correct their excessive self-interest operations.They say all correction is not correction but friction from the enemy, meaning Satan.And like any self-interest lobbying concern, enough money is never enough money.They have a craven spirit such that they never ask themselves, “Why is more money never enough money?”They never say to themselves, “Gee, maybe our rapacious self-interest is driven by our questionable self-interest doctrines!”That would be one great selah, but it may not come without a colossal amount of self-inflicted pain.First the ministries will blame Satan.But finally, they will blame themselves.Some might even repent and fix their doctrine.Then they can let God help fix themselves.This will include receiving much more of the Holy Spirit, who has been spurned for intellectual idiocy.And the leaders will discern and control their heretofore at times bizarre spirits.Then they can have that revival they always have been praying for.Because then, they will be worthy!Hallelujah!No longer selling dung-pile doctrines, they will have God’s truth and spirit to feed to God’s sheep.
Dog Chow – Whether Christ or anti-christ manifests in us is up to two things.Either we feed our mind good or we feed it evil.(Technically, we feed our inner spirit truthful and good spirits or we feed it lying and evil spirits.)You could almost say that in all of us live two fighting dogs, one good and the other evil.The mean dog fights the good dog all the time.Which one wins?When asked this question in the movie The Missing, Tommy Lee Jones said, “I don’t know.Whichever one I feed the most.”
Don’t Touch God’s Anointed – Used by practitioners of Love Mush, Rapture, WOF, et al to keep God’s rebuke and correction away during their lives on earth. They believe themselves lacking nothing but greater tithes, extra love offerings and more pride.Yes, we must not hurt God’s anointed.But it doesn’t mean God’s anointed must forever escape correction.Friends say, “Correct me!”Fiends say, “Don’t!”
Don’t Worry, Truth Prevails– If you have eyes to see spiritually, then you see truth prevails in the universe.Truth cannot but manifest itself around truthful things, and lies cannot but manifest around lying things.For example, a self-interested ministry cannot but have a self-interested website.(i.e. It will have few links to the rest of the universe of good, but it will have dozens of ways to send money their way.Such a ministry website might plead for your estate when you die.It will have no qualms with setting up an automatic debit from your checking account.It will be happy to charge your credit card to send you a book on getting out of debt.)For example, a preacher with little true doctrine or connection with God will have great compensated mannerisms and “announcer voice” false affections.For example, Hitler’s troops marched a “goose step” on parade.The goose step looked just like what a dictator’s troops would do.They cannot do but otherwise.For example, a mostly-for-show safety award meeting might have its safety award recipients stand on an elevated stage, crowded to the edge with no guard rails… and witness to everyone in the room the safety ceremony is a self-congratulating ruse.Truth is everywhere to behold, if it is not edited out by careful program directors of a media ministry, an organization or – most importantly – one’s own mind.The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God.If God wants to make a fool out of you, me or anybody in public; then he can easily let the truth be shown in public regarding whatever foolishness is actually in us.Truth cannot be hidden.Rapture doctrine can be shouted from the mountaintop, but it will always sound like a lie.Any lie sounds like a lie.Any ruse sounds like a ruse.Any truth sounds like a truth.Any truthful person appears to have truth in him.Any beguiled person appears to be beguiled. And it matters not whether the person received four higher degrees from the most prestigious Bible schools or not.If those schools had wrong doctrine, the person is tragically the worse for it.If those schools had good doctrine, the person is made the better.But a non-schooled person is still capable, in fact more likely, to have a chance at manifesting more of God’s truthful essence than anybody.And we should honor such.
See now one upset Miriam Franklin, the apparent author of the above-mentioned website, who has copied Dutch Sheets’ words in regular type, from his website, www.dutchsheets.org.(Watch out for flashy website intro… does Dutch need flash?)Sheets does a sort-of me culpa in these excerpts (more like a “they-culpa”) from his 8/21/08 statement about the Lakeland Revival and Todd Bentley’s “bentness.”Franklin shows her spirits of over-reaching indignation (like I do too oft!) in her italic remarks.
Dutch Sheets:
“Should those who “aligned” Todd with spiritual fathers (which was a good thing and positioned him to receive help if he chooses to accept it)
{Endtimes thoughts - How can aligning with false spiritual fathers be a good thing? They are false, elitist and corrupt. They knew about Todd’s sin and many other things before, and what did they do - and what indeed do they do now? Furthermore the alignment was done in June, and Todd has decided to announce his divorce six or so weeks after then! So what good did they do? What help did they provide? Indeed C Peter Wagner’s decrees only made things worse, it seems!
Crucially, by Bill Johnson’s own testimony, Bill Johnson and Che Ahn etc has been there for years for Todd. So how on earth does being aligned to the very same people make any differance at all - except in the public’s eyes. They even helped Todd through this and covered it up for him a few years ago - the same thing, the same sin. SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES NOW MAKE?Dutch only continues to testify to the false and corrupt NAR and their silly publicity stunts and lip service.]
…. have realized to do so publicly was a mistake and could be interpreted by those watching in no other way than as a complete endorsement?
{What different criteria should there be between a public and private endorsement, except for hypocrits and decievers?]
Yes, they should have, especially when the event became a commissioning ceremony, complete with decrees and prophecies of going to higher levels, predictions of Todd’s increasing world-wide influence and leading a world-wide revival, emphatic and prolific endorendorsements of his character, etc.
{So Dutch agrees then they are all false prophets and false apostles and liars with false decrees?}
How could those watching believe the evening was anything but an aligning, endorsing and commissioning ceremony? It was.
{So why does the man of great truth, holiness and integrity, (according to Dutch Sheets), C Peter Wagner, lie now about it?]
It really doesn’t matter who laid their hands on Todd—all share responsibility. This was unwise at best, naïve at least and at its worst, foolish. And should the leaders involved have realized that those of us connected to them relationally, ministerially, and as movements—some even in alignment with them apostolically and as sons and daughters—would feel minimalized, if not betrayed, by the fact that they were in essence taking us onto the stage with them? Yes. These feelings were inevitable, especially when we had such uneasiness and asked them not to.
Should there be an acknowledgment of these mistakes to the body of Christ for the sake of accountability and in order to rebuild trust? I believe so, and remain hopeful this will happen.
[Sin, confession, guilt, repentence, forgiveness and deliverance anyone?]
With such strong statements of disagreement, what is the affirmation toward my friends who led, participated in or endorsed this ceremony (and the meetings in general)? Simply stated, I know their hearts.
[Really? Corrupted, dark and black as night? Not all of them - but many, if not most. Either Dutch testifies he has no discernment, or that he is corrupt dark and dishonest like them - and it should be noted he has not been fully honest in this statement.
These 'friends' at the commissioning are false prophets who refuse to acknowledge their sin and leaders who cover over each others sin. They teach another gospel and another Jesus. Their teaching is antichrist. Some are satanists, neopagans and witches in the guise of Christians who have infiltrated the church with dark stuff - that is very clear, they are not naive and innocent old men who know no better. They are liars who lie about their true agenda, and seek to creep in unawares and corrupt and defile with their deceptive teachings. They are spiritual bullies and hypocrits with one rule for them and another for others. They ignore, cover over or negate sin. Corruption and Merchandising is the order of the day. Many are backtracking now in order to pretend they never really endorse Lakeland when they did. The list goes on and on as to their sin.
Besides which, so what if their hearts were really as pure as the driven snow? Lakeland was corrupt. The message was corrupt. The impartations were corrupt. The leaders were corrupt. [They show that now by their continued lies] Claiming to know others’ hearts has nothing to do with it… sincere passionate people can get sincerely and passionately led astray and lead others with them.
The NAR are false and antichrist and are lying false prophets.]
It is not a contradiction of my criticisms toward some of their actions to, at the same time, defend and endorse their hearts and character.
[That says it all. If Dutch continues to endorse their hearts and character and integrity then he is decieved or is as warped and corrupt as they - did I say Dutch was tipped by Chuck Pierce to be the new revival leader? Did you see his latest weird prophecies on the Elijah List?]
It is completely appropriate—when true—to defend a person’s heart and integrity while disagreeing with their actions.
{Sin is sin isn’t it for ‘disagreeable actions’, and a lack of integrity and lack of goodness of heart in that particular area?]
I think the blunder of that night was huge and very damaging to the body of Christ, but I also realize that in their hearts, those involved honestly felt they were doing the right things.
[It was not a mistake - although it was absolutely wrong. It was a strategic move for their own unrighteous dark and ungodly puposes - to elevate themselves before and after Todd's fall. Look what is happening now, all the elevation and promotion of the NAR because of this alignment! It is no mistake of theirs - it is deeply cunning!]
Again, while not defending the action taken, I would defend the character and integrity of Peter and Doris Wagner as vigorously as anyone I know, and do so with absolute confidence.
{Wow. This cannot be his true thoughts.
Note Wagner’s recent lying, backtracking and self promotion galore. Not to mention corruption, scriptural distortion and elitism plus the corruption etc in the whole movement and the false prophets under him - how can someone have INTEGRITY and GOOD CHARACTER and allow this persistant deception and corruption and scriptural distortion and blasphemy?… On the night they crowned him, Todd blasphemed and lied and they all still went ahead….THAT IS GOOD CHARACTER?!!!]
There are no two people, and I mean that literally, who embody the qualities of humility, integrity, holiness (no compromise!), sacrifice, unselfish kingdom-thinking, the tireless giving of themselves to Christ’s cause and the body of Christ—and do I need to add risk-taking?—as much as Peter and Doris Wagner. It remains my great honor to be associated with them and call them a spiritual father and mother.
[Sing praises unto Peter Wagner, sing praises. Now you know why Dutch is tipped to be the next big thing...
And what's with calling them a spiritual mother and father (apart from the lack of discernment in choosing the parent?) - who are they Mummy and Daddy Moonie that you call them mother and father? Or have we gone back to the Catholic church? Or just plain rebellion against God who says 'call no man father'...?
And Christ's cause, since when has worldwide dominion and a return to Rome under Wagner been anyone other than Wagner and the evil one's cause, let alone Christ's cause? Or the establishment of the Latter Rain Beast goverment with domionion in all spheres including finance been Christ's commission? Or the promotion of the false prophet mouthpiece of the beast been godly? More like all Wagner's cause all orchestrated from Colorado Springs and Rome...]
And again, while not minimizing or “sweeping under the rug” any wrong decisions, I remain steadfast in my belief that similar affirmations could be made of others involved—either directly or indirectly—in the ceremony. And some of them still see their endorsing of Lakeland as an endorsement of revival generally, not of Todd personally.
The Bigger Picture
It may come as a surprise, however, that my real purpose in writing this is not to only state the above, as important as I believe saying it is. My primary purpose, and I believe my assignment from the Lord, is to identificationally repent on behalf of the leadership of the charismatic body of Christ (see Nehemiah 1:4-7; Daniel 9:1-19).
{You cannot do this in this sense. Identification Repentence is a false NAR doctrine. Repentence is a change of mind as well as acknowlegment of owned guilt and an asking for forgiveness, and also involves confession and restoration - how can one then repent as an individual for the whole body, let alone its leaders? But especially more when it is not sincere, and especially when others are not at repentent.
Dutch is also not acknowledging and confessing HIS sin when he does this - it is a form of denial and so actually lacks sincerity while appearing on the surface wonderful. Thus it is very hard to take this confession or repentence at face value, or as being sincere for it is actually not - it is a guise of something else]
In doing so, I do not have a pompous, “no one else will, so I’ll do it” attitude, nor am I arrogant enough to think I have become the spokesperson for the charismatic church.
{But that’s what you effectively do if you identify repent for the charismatic church]
But in the same way that I can identify with the racism of white predecessors and repent to blacks, Native Americans and other races,
{No you can’t!]
I can represent the leadership of the charismatic body of Christ and identificationally repent for our sins and weaknesses. I encourage leaders who find my statements true and appropriate to join me.
{No, don’t. But only confess for their sin by saying ‘I am sorry, I am guilty’, not ‘the church’ is sorry. And acknowledging all the guilt and corruption not just bits that suit them]
Beyond the simple fact of it being appropriate, I firmly believe it is the only way to begin the process of rebuilding trust with those asked to follow us and to remove the cynicism of the world we ask to listen to us. As you know, regaining credibility is much more difficult than attaining credibility.
Concerning what I’m about to say, I don’t believe I have a critical spirit,
{No because you are on Wagner’s side. It is only those against Wagner who have critical or religious spirits!]
Nor do I want to diminish the sacrifices, faithfulness, and hard work done by so many in ministry. The fact remains, however, that we have failed the Lord and His people in many ways—not just with Lakeland but in countless other situations—and must repent if we are to be trusted in the future. And as you also know, no repentance is effective if watered down and couched in excuses, therefore, I intend to be brutally honest:
1)We, the leaders of the charismatic community, have operated in an extremely low level of discernment. Frankly, we often don’t even try to discern.
{I was getting excited then but no, look what is coming…]
We assume a person’s credibility based on gifts, charisma, the size of their ministry or church, whether they can prophesy or work a miracle, etc.
{The crucial discernment is about the gifts and prophecy and miracles - that is the crucial discernment that is missing in the Charismatic movement.]
(Miracles and signs are intended to validate God and His message, not the messenger; sometimes they validate the assignment of an individual, but never the person’s character, lifestyle or spiritual maturity.)
{Agreed, but the crucial thing is, Dutch, - coverups of sin. Because the lifestyle issues are frequently known and not cared about so it is not at all a question of discernment but integrity and holiness and obedience to God. People knew about Todd’s sins way before Lakeland. And the laudible nine months offered re Todd’s restituion now even when the sin is out in the open (or some of it) is ridiculous.
We leaders in the Church have become no different than the world around us in our standards for measuring success and greatness. This has contributed to the body of Christ giving millions of dollars to undeserving individuals; it has allowed people living in sin to become influential leaders—even to lead movement, allowing them influence all the way to the White House.
Through our lack of discernment we built their stages and gave them their platforms. We have been gullible beyond words—gullible leaders producing gullible sheep.
[And sheep that will not question because they have been told not to by you. ]
And the leaders some are gullible but many are just corrupt.
When a spiritual leader we’re connected with violates trust, is exposed for immorality or falls below other accepted standards of behavior, it does not exonerate us simply to say we don’t condone such behavior. Those we lead trust us to let them know whom to trust. We have failed them miserably in this regard.
{Here’s what coming, I am such a great man of integrity and have seen the light - now let me point to you some who the body can trust. A great man. Dear old Peter Wagner …. Create a crisis and create the superheroes we can trust]
For this lack of discernment, and for employing and passing on inappropriate standards of judgment, I repent to the Lord and ask forgiveness of the body of Christ.
{Not given by me. False confession and crocodile tears for the reason stated as this is a lying and hypocrotical statement in itself with a false agenda]
2)We, the leaders of the charismatic church, spin our involvement and fail to acknowledge our responsibility when other leaders fall—all of which stems from our self-preservation and pride.
{But Todd was fallen for years]
Enough of the spin—we’re no different than Washington, DC. Every time another embarrassing and disgraceful situation is exposed, the dancing begins.
{And boy, can I see it Dutch!]
It seems that no one bears any real responsibility except the man or woman who actually commits sin.
[Not even him!]
Incredibly, we even blame “revival” itself—the pressures, attacks, weariness, the “revival is messy” argument, etc., saying it is responsible for the failures. This is disgusting.
[But THAT is your movement headed by the divine Peter Wagner who have said this! So Bill Johnson, Steve Strang's et al's behaviour is disgusting. What are you going to do about it and your associations with these men?]
Those of us on boards of fallen leaders, those who helped give them a voice, put them on TV, published and endorsed their books (yes, I have), etc., are not exonerated simply by saying we don’t condone the wrong behavior or that we didn’t know. We’re supposed to know.
{Ok, so what are you going to do. If YOU really repent what are you going to do in fruit of your repentence?]
I don’t believe anyone is expecting perfection from us—I know I’m not. We’re far too human for that. But we are expected to have enough humility to look the world and those who follow us in the eye when we miss it and say, “we were wrong and we are sorry.”
Our careless accountability has caused the body of Christ to be spiritually raped and abused.
{Who by? Primarily YOUR own movement!]
It has produced disillusionment and brought immeasurable reproach to our God and cynicism to His message. Concerning Lakeland, what was called the “greatest revival since Azusa Street” has become possibly one of the greatest reproaches. We, the leaders of the charismatic church, are responsible.
For not accepting and acknowledging our responsibility, for caring more about our own reputation than Christ’s, I repent to God and ask forgiveness of the body of Christ.
3)Our procedures and standards of accountability are incredibly inadequate. We have provided camaraderie, not biblical accountability. For those on Todd Bentley’s board who had previous knowledge of his marriage problems and said nothing, it was more than a mistake—it was reckless, foolish, and irresponsible.
[But that includes your movement headed by C Peter Wagner - unless you are just trying to blame and make Che Ahn, Bill Johnson and John Arnott as the fall guys like Wagner did.]
For those on the stage the night of his aligning and commissioning who knew and said nothing—ditto. For those there who didn’t know, my question is, “why didn’t you?” You were trusted to know. That is one of the purposes of public commissioning and the purpose behind the concept of endorsement. I’m not trying to point the finger; I’m endeavoring to get us to be honest about our failures—we have serious credibility issues. Have I ever laid hands on, commissioned or endorsed anyone without adequately checking them out? Yes, but you better believe I’ll be more careful next time!
And we must not single out Lakeland. We’re all guilty.
What about the leader in my city who ran with some of the leading spiritual fathers in our nation—sincere and good men, I might add, and not all “charismatic” leaders—who sang his praises and helped build his stage—all while he was doing drugs and having sex with other men?
{That is Ted Haggard]
But we shouldn’t blame only the high profile cases—what about those of us who unknowingly have had adulterers on our staffs or appointed elders that turned out to have compromise in their life?
{Or what about knowingly - that is the key issue for many of them and I really do not think Dutch Sheets is that naive.]
Sounding familiar yet?
This is so epidemic that every member of the body of Christ stands guilty—what pastor or leader did you follow that turned out to have sin issues? What ministry did you support that was unworthy?
There is plenty of blame to go around. The big question becomes not “who do we blame” but “how do we fix this mess?”
{Not the NAR that is for sure!]
Leaders can live in sin—adultery, homosexuality, financial wrongdoing, drugs, etc.—for years without it being realized. They can offer completely unacceptable lifestyles for the body of Christ to follow and still keep their TV programs and lavish lifestyles. In the name of grace, compassion and forgiveness we have lowered the standard so much that often there isn’t one. We have bought into the lie that true discipline is “shooting our wounded.”
{So where is the true discipline then proffered by Wagner?}
We have made a mockery of biblical restoration, making “ministry”—not healthy individuals, marriages and families—its ultimate goal. The fact is, integrity matters. No, we don’t need legalistic, pharisaical standards, but we must have standards.
For this lack of biblical accountability, I repent to God and I ask forgiveness of the body of Christ.
4)We, the leaders of the charismatic church, have built on hype, sensation, innovation, programs, personality and charisma. This has produced: shallowness; false movements; novice leaders—gifted but immature and untested; a deficient understanding of God’s word; the building of man-centered rather than kingdom-centered churches and ministries; competition rather than cooperation; humanistic, self-centered Christians who don’t understand sacrifice and commitment; Christians without discernment; superstar leaders; a perverted and powerless gospel; prayerlessand anemic Christians; a replacement of the fear of the Lord with the fear of man; and a young generation that is cynical of it all. We are responsible, not the devil; he takes what we give him.
For this compromise in the way we build, for giving the Church watered down wine, commercial Christianity, a flashy but weak Church and hype disguised as anointing, I repent to God and ask forgiveness of the body of Christ.
Galatians 6:1-5 is an appropriate reference with which to end this
Brethren, even if a man caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ.
For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone, and not in regard to another. For each one shall bear his own load.” NAS
{But this cannot be used to deflect the issues, nor can it be used for someone who has not repented, or of false brethren who repent of sexual adultery but not spiritual adultery.
Furthermore, the ones who are spiritual are NOT whom Dutch Sheets is pointing to, Wagner’s apostles!]
My passionate prayer is that God honors this repentance—
{How could he when: 1. identification repentance is not biblical and 2. It is not sincere and 3. Does not deal with the real issues?]
I believe He led me to do it and therefore, will—and uses it to begin a process of cleansing and healing for all of us. In order for the coming great awakening
{The coming Great Awakening as prophesied by the Latter Rain. More deception. Led possibly by Dutch Sheets]
to bear maximum fruit we must have both, as well as a course correction that sets us on a path of wisdom leading to life. There is no doubt that past moves of God have been aborted, ended prematurely and contained error or heresy that have wounded, if not destroyed, many.
The healing revival of the 40’s and 50’s,
{Oh boy, Sheets is defending Latter Rain?]
the charismatic movement, discipleship movement and Jesus movement are all examples. My heart is to help shape a movement, the fruit of which will last for decades—better yet, forever. And I have great expectations for us—I am not a cynic.
My passionate prayer is also that Todd Bentley’s marriage survives and thrives…that he turns his heart fully toward Christ
{yes!]
and toward those with whom he is aligned,
{no, never! Evil men, never!]
and allows them, as God leads, to put him on a path of complete restoration. I thank God for those who were touched by the Holy Spirit at Lakeland and while watching it on God TV and the web.
{So ultimately still endorsing Lakeland, and basically blaming Bentley for any ‘issues’ while giving the appearance of not doing so]
May we all move forward into all God has planned for us in this awesome season of endless possibility.
With great hope—
Dutch Sheets” {end]
9/5/08
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba of Bungoma, Western Kenya, Africa,
Glory be to God, here is another poem I posted on my website.
I hope my last letter to you did not seem too harsh. It is difficult being separated. However, the separation generates letters between us. This generates, one hopes, a written record of our co-laboring desire for truth, greater truths required for this day.
I repent if I am too harsh with you my brother.
I know you have a heart for God like few men walking the planet today. You have a great mantle of leadership.
I also suspect you are incredibly frustrated because you know of God's greatness in you, yet you might feel you are trapped in a small and impossible situation.
I feel this too, but in my own way and in my own circumstances. Who of us who follow God do not also share in this frustration?
Why God must make us endure the "kingdom and patience of Christ" is inexplicable.
I pray God grants you the divine enablement, which is His grace, to bear the great burdens that are upon your shoulders.
God's peace upon you, your family, close team members, congregation and nation.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
P.S. The following poem speaks not only regarding televangelists, but leaders and theologians and bible colleges and bible schools for the past two-thousand years. Most such leaders have apparently settled on some low formations of Christianity, or if in the past they had mature Christian teachings then those teachings did not survive into the present.
The Honest Televangelists
By Robert Winkler Burke
Copyright 9/5/08
There once were some honest televangelists,
Who had amazing perspective.
They said they had compromised to get on air,
Yet stayed with God respective.
My God, they asked, Have we sold our souls,
To fund cameras and time?
How can we be pure, or true or plain,
When we’ve begged for every dime?
But God loved these men who had a clue,
Of what keeps real men honest.
Other global ministers of pride were undone,
Not seeing trees for the forest.
God searches the world whom He can make great,
But can keep pride away.
Instead people rush to fame, fortune and glory,
And lose sanity day by day.
Hurray for the broken men God raises up,
Who can be trusted with power.
Who needs proud leaders consumed with themselves?
Answer: No one at this late hour.
So let humble televangelists forge a new way,
With true doxie for tomorrow.
The old proud ones can’t discern their lying dogmas,
And create nothing but sorrow.
They say give-to-get, await a rapture, fear the beast,
And glorify me and my ministry!
The pig-headed fools know not of what they speak,
They ignore God’s great mystery.
The mystery of God is Galatians one: twenty-six,
Christ comes quickly to live in you and me.
But never with wrong thoughts, never with pride,
Not like today’s televangelists like to be.
So a new order of televangelists must come around,
To humility and honest truth.
What have we done wrong?Where have we erred?
They must ask what to forsooth.
And then, and then with humility and critique,
God’s soldiers of world broadcast,
Can fix themselves, turn their losses to gain,
And deliver the world truth at last.
For God will forgive the miscreant dummkopfs,
So proud to be wayward shepherds today.
He lets them beat themselves up in absurdities,
Until they repent and find God’s new way.
The new humble televangelists will be a marvel,
Truly, a delight to behold.
I could be wrong, correct me, help me, they’ll say,
And this will never grow old.
New and greater truths of God will come to such men,
Who bow their heads in humility,
And say, Power makes us blind, money greedy and fame proud,
Help us Lord, oh help us to see!
They’ll say, Give us no accolades, we shuck off all glory,
Let us of all vanity make recants,
God will bless such shepherds to our truth-starved world,
They’ll hear, Well done, my servants!
Dear Alan,
Thanks for helping me to laugh! Yes, my lungs have become sensitive to Golden Retriever dog hair! Actually, it's the pollen that comes with it! My plan for the last few years is to only put them in the back of my camper shell, F-350. However, in the heat of the summer this doesn't work.
So now they slobber in the back seat of my SUV, but then I have to be careful they don't find water, sand, mud or junk to roll around in when we go somewhere that way. Yet, they are my God-sent friends with undying love for me. Ruby and Virginia.
Often I feel so guilty I don't have a family around for them. They are alive 24/7 and I come and go and live alone. But still, they are a gift from God, always happy, always ready to love me! Wow!
Is your relative involved with John Haggee's Cornerstone Church? Or another in San Antonio? I know Texas is blessed with lots of big church ministries.
Here in Reno, not so. In a way it's bad, because people are so cotton pickin' unchurched! In a way it's good, because people are so cotton pickin' unchurched! But gambling towns do have bad elements. Reno is close enough to the beauty of the mountains and desert that this provides a big offset.
These past two weeks have been intense spiritually.... And I have been led to write a lot about the failings not only of prosperity ministries, but also the emergent/prophetic/feel-good-conference type as well. And I've been very negative. And I have rambled. But I produced a few good poems! All this during a spiritual scourging.
Today I go to the doctor again to see about this Hay Fever/Cold thing. Slowly it's getting better. I've lost four pounds! Thanks for your prayers.
We've got to forgive the wayward church. Even the prosperity preachers do good. But so many TV ministers seem so unaware how bent their souls have become because of the wrong doctrine they teach! It is such a bad blend, and they seem blind to their, well, blindness!
Mature organizations overcome this by accepting brutal, honest truth. Not so, the televangelism crowd.
In the end, all will be well. Heaven must be a funny place. Surely, it allows those who have made big mistakes. How this reconciliation-with-truth process works would be fascinating to know.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
9/4/08
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba of Bungoma, Western Kenya,
Here is today's posting and teaching.
Please pray for the minds of my parents and my family.We need prayers.Thank you.
Finally, I note you keep giving me by e-mail your sermons on simple faith. Before I traveled to Bungoma in August this year, you did that a lot to me. Now you're doing it again. Back then I wrote back to you with the terrible problems of "fanatic faith." Fanatic faith, unfortunately, is a tool of misuse done sometimes by preachers.
Faith can be taught simple. I prefer it not to be taught that way. To teach simple faith is a temptation of manipulation, sometimes.
You tell someone to believe, simply believe. And there is pressure to support that person of faith: to pay the pastor for telling you this shibboleth of dysfunction.
And God doesn't want us to be stupid robots, that have a switch called faith. Simply turn on that faith, and all will be well.... ahem, er... but.... of course, support the preacher who told you to turn on this simple switch of faith. (It's too, too simple.)
That's always the program. Teach simple faith..... and ...er..... send money to the preacher. It's too simple. It's too infantile. It doesn't work that way in 2008.
One of my teachings covers this.... It teaches about how faith without works is dead.... But if you teach only on faith, as prosperity ministers want to do, it creates an engine of works.... Then the prosperity preachers fulfill this spiritual engine they have revved up... and ask for donations. They extract the wrong "work" out of sheep they have taught to mistakenly only believe in "simple faith." There is no faith without works. Teaching only faith ends up being an extraction device of preachers, they preach wrongly and get the congregation to act wrongly; with a robotic donation to assuage the works engine.
So, if you can see the wisdom in it... stop sending me the crazy sermons on simple faith. If you would just look at the Bible verses you so often quote from Paul... his following verses almost always talk explicitly about dying to flesh, co-partnering with Jesus, manifesting Jesus, the hard work it is, the impossibly hard work it is, and ALL THAT... takes the WORK of spiritual scourging, soul-cleansing, overcoming processes and basic lousy, lousy excruciating time on earth to GET YOURSELF CLEANED UP. Strong faith results in hell on earth, actually, until the long overcoming process helps a rotten soul to eventually be cleansed unto purity and holiness.
The crazy and demented Calvinists have believed for 500 years they can take Paul's stream-of-consciousness verses, where he thinks whole chapters at a time about the big processes of overcoming and indwelling; and the Calvinists, those nerds, grab a dozen of Paul's verse parts and they build up a case for simple faith.
There ain't no simple faith. There ain't no simple faith. There is no simple faith. No.
Faith isn't believing the goody-goody verses of the Bible, blasting them to a congregation -- or to me --, and expect full rainbow stew funding for all like-minded ministry activities. It's not right. It's not that simple. It is a disservice to sheep who deserve better teachings.
It doesn't work that way with me. God never lets me get by that easy. By his mercy, he gave me an extremely rough road to travel to righteousness and purity. You too?
Again, the stuck-in-righteous mindset only wants to dwell on God's grace and our simple faith as the ultimate, ultimate solution. BROTHER, that's the infantile beginning, not the ultimate end God has us destined for.
At the baby-infantile state of beginning faith, we might qualify to go beyond the terrors of righteous rigidity, somehow by scourging of evil spirits within our righteous stuck-in-la-la-land selves, GROW in purity and someday make holiness and great God indwelling.
Then, with holiness... you write like Paul wrote, like Peter wrote, like John wrote. Also, you live like them.
But with rigid, I-don't-want-to-grow righteousness, we get stuck in baby faith verse picking. And we live like hypocrites, lousy hypocrites.
I suspect devils are picking on you. The not-so-good spirits in you are being blasted by the volume of teachings coming your way these past two weeks from me.... and you have succumbed to those bad spirits and you are firing back teachings to me on simple faith.
Because I love you, and you have a HUGE part in you that wants higher teachings, I CANNOT, I CANNOT let you get away with continually sending me contrariwise teachings on simple faith, backed up by the miniscule parts of verses stolen from Paul's greater teachings. He taught on "the way" of God, which I call In That Day Teachings.
In heaven, I picture Paul throwing FITS of rage that theologians for centuries have CLEARLY picked and chosen a REALLY, REALLY CHEAP way to interpret Paul.
Paul never was love mush. Paul never wrote it. Paul never wrote of simple, manipulating faith. He never, in fact, wrote about the rapture. Paul was a warrior. He wrote of foot races, and boxing and buffeting his body... Almost like martial arts.
Paul's fault -- like mine -- was pride. He wouldn't shut up. He kept up a crazy stream of consciousness writing style that he thought everyone could understand.
Well, everyone couldn't understand Paul. Only snippets. Even Peter recognized this, and referred to this in his own writings.
Grow up, Pastor Benjamin. Grow up past your teachers in Kenya. They apparently believe that baby Pauline gospel, the one I believe Paul in heaven despises more than anything. Give up the baby Pauline machine. GIVE IT UP.
You want the In That Day Teachings? Stop sending me contrariwise sermons, based upon the baby Pauline machine so popular in Kenya and the rest of the world.
God's love is a tough love. This is tough love for you. You'll need it to shepherd your own baby-Pauline-taught pastors and congregation.
Look at all my poems that I've sent you recently... Look at them deeply. They say more with less words than anything else I can do. Do lots of Selah with them.
Do you understand, my friend Benjamin?
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada USA
There Must be a Better Shibboleth
By Robert Winkler Burke
Copyright 9/4/08
There must be a better way
To campaign the Lord’s will,
Than the cheap, dishonest “prosperity” feign,
Such preachers rob the till.
They entrap sucker believers to give-to-get,
Themselves the gettings deposited direct,
While promising believers multifold upping of the bet,
Just how, they conveniently neglect.
So flush, full of cash preachers campaign,
Whatever it is they do.
But at what loss and by what gain,
When all is done and through?
They break the very honor of their character,
By cheap prosperity wile,
Then believe a break-up-in-process character,
Can then make God smile.
God cares about our soul for Himself to inhabit,
This is His today goal.
No rich but desolate preacher can kingdom establish,
If sold he has his soul.
So woe is us and woe is me,
We forsake the cheap prosperity trap,
We get our gettings honestly,
At higher place on God’s kingdom map.
Like the Jews Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego,
We believe we will be saved,
Not by giving or getting as cheap faith mantras go,
But by spirit process ravaged.
Where our faith becomes not so simple:
If you believe this, then that.
Rather if you excise dogma infantile,
God frees us from logic format.
We become free to be who God wants us to be,
And astonishingly, that’s anything,
He calls us to be at His will and caprice,
Songbird in cage or eagle at wing.
Just when we think life to us won’t come,
Jesus comes quickly in love,
And reminds us our thoughts aren’t God’s sum,
His way – not ours – is above.
And money comes to us like air,
Don’t exactly ask me how.
When we put character first it’s fair,
Let God take the bow.
David said he never saw the righteous begging bread,
That’s what prosperity preachers do,
They extort and have excess by tricking your head,
That only by blessing them will God bless you.
But curse their money and curse their lust,
Curse their gilded, false shibboleths,
If we see and hear as they, our senses are lost!
They make with God the wrong bets.
The answer isn’t doing what prosperity preachers do,
Of this I am quite sure.
The old mind traps of Satan fail, they are never true,
True faith is to endure.
Banco National de Mesa Verde!I wrote the above poem after looking at Benny Hinn’s website and seeing one of his Greek- column sets, where he advertises another finance-prosperity mantra video collection.Like many prosperity preacher sets, this seems designed to exude gold-colored hues of mega-oligarch wealth.And the thought came to my mind of a scene in a movie called Fistful of Dynamite.In it, the chicken-thief low-level bandit Juan meets a high level Irish mercenary, Sean, who is an explosives expert traveling in Mexico.When Juan sees Sean and his explosives, Juan sees a floating banner over Sean and hears heavenly voices.The banner reads, “Banco National de Mesa Verde.”This is the bank of Juan’s dreams, the one he wants to rob.And seeing that Sean is an expert at dunamis, excuse me, dynamite, he befriends Sean (really, he just wants to use him.)So it seems with prosperity preachers.They seem to use everything and everybody for that good old love of mammon.
God’s recent rebukes have apparently redoubled the prosperity preachers’ engines of insanity.They have further increased their give-to-get message and praised themselves with more acclaim while denying God is rebuking them for any of their many doxie sins.
Hinn’s website also brags he’s getting good comments from the US Senator investigating him.That’s like bragging you have impressed the warden with your good prison behavior.Ditto insanity over at the Kenneth Copeland ministry.They have an auxiliary website promoting their righteous indignation at challenges to their steadfast financial opacity.This “open-to-comment” website allows no non-obsequious comments.This behavior is over-the-top immature, and breaks the etiquette of internet protocol.Then look at Creflo Dollar’s website.In it is an inane letter to the US Senators investigating their ministry that spouts off verse and chapter prosperity teachings.It ends with a plea not to coerce findings, because what Dollar wants kept dark and hid, Dollar wants kept dark and hid.This behavior is also over-the-top immature, especially compared to saner responses from Joyce Meyer Ministry, or considering transparent finance ministries that did not need investigation by US Senate because no complaints came their way.The investigation of the opaque-financial prosperity ministries was complaint driven – complaints from burned donors – according to Charles Grassley.
And considering the US Senate’s investigation started on 11/5/07, what if the day after the Presidential election, on 11/5/08 Senator Charles Grassley delivers subpoenas to the recalcitrant uncorrectable ministries?That would be a fitting anniversary, would it not?
Now, some might say: Surely, Robert is too harsh.Well, after hearing the amazing Sarah Palin deliver her convention speech last night, I realized fresh and anew how hard it is for people in high places to speak plain truth.Ronald Reagan could do it.Palin can do it.And why is it so hard?Because of the spirits covering high places.
Now, how about the compromised spirits covering billionaire prosperity preachers with hundreds of millions of dollar ministry incomes?Unless they pay an extremely high price in the spirit to be able to speak truth, they become sort of like entrenched politicians; people who have compromised so much with evil that they are partially soul-damaged, must sequester themselves with other lofty cretins such as themselves…. And they can’t speak plain truth to save their lives.Hinn, Dollar, Copeland, the Crouches all appear to have had this soul damage to themselves, by the self-affliction process of selling the lie-package known as prosperity doctrine.By the wisdom of the In That Day Teachings, this explains this phenomenon.Only repentance would restore these characters and let them speak plainly.
Further, the same process – but slightly different – happens with ministers of so-called “prophetic conferences” that are dominated by soulishness and refusal to repudiate the rapture doctrines and all dispensational insanity.(Without strongly disavowing all rapture doctrine, no great sight into Christ’s future is seeable.)And the same process happens to soulish revival events, and the same process happens to ministers of radical youth events or even out-of-God’s-control evangelical events (i.e. Luis Palau’s radicals.) If ministers compromise with going youth-crazy-radical, going prophetic-in-name-only or promotion of evangelism at-any-crazy-goings-on price, then the ministers themselves get their souls substantially chewed up.They lose much discernment and they no longer can speak plain truth… or even get along with plain folk.They become the caricatures the world knows televangelists to be:Characters are self-demented in part or, given time, self-demented in whole.
Truly, televangelists destroy their own souls by preaching the utterly destructive seed-faith prosperity dogmas.They become what they preach.By their witness their doxie bag of sermons makes them typically quite vain, unapproachable, greedy and blind.
These bitter truths also explain the lousy non-apology letters of defense published on the websites of Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson,Pete Wagner, Patricia King (a video, no letter) and such regarding their egregious promotion of the over-the-top-bad-wile-and-witchcraft ways of Todd Bentley before and during the Lakeland Florida Revival.These leaders now seem consumed with propping up their self-damaged reputations by the wholly immature tactic of defining all response to the Bentley meltdown as either a) judgmental and wrong or b) forgiving and never-mind-our-self-inflicted-soul-damage-to-us-as-ministry heads, we’ll “fix” or “restore” Bentley insofar as is possible to help you forget about the matter as quickly as possible, put it behind us, never mind what actually is the truth that we are clueless as to what happened, why we were deceived and how we are ever going to “undeceive” Bentley, let’s just bury the whole matter in a sea of words, which by the way, us ministers are paid to do, and don’t ever call us on the carpet for being so full of dung.We will c) continue to operate in soul-damage, subsequent spiritual blindness and continue our devolution into rigid righteousness such that all future videos, lectures, music, events, crusades, conventions and so-called prophetic goings on will be evermore infantile and without true hope that God’s truth and future and could ever manifest in significance anywhere near us.It’ll just be more soulish anointings everywhere!All these disturbances help us to become better at demagoguery, which our sheep eat without question, and we have from politicians much more to learn:Change, change, change!
They seem to be saying, “Just keep us away from the plain-truth-speaking Sarah Palins of God’s spiritual world of chastisement and rebuke!Can we get an amen from the amen chorus?Good.Now sow your biggest seed to our greed and wasteful incompetence that frees us to do the opposite of what God truly wants us to do, which is repent of all these decades of shenanigans, and God will bless all you beautiful little people!Repeat our new shibboleth:No worries!”
9/3/08
RE:Ministry leaders involved with endless “prophetic conferences” that supported the wily, pierced, tattooed, alleged-of-many-things not here-in mentioned, minister of Lakeland Revival in Florida; ministry leaders who cannot repent of backing a man of such bad spirits; church leaders who cannot comprehend false anointings heal but also harm; church ministry leaders who cannot fathom they need to repent of wrong doxie-soulish-anointing conferences that are prophetic in name only; ministry leaders who need to fully repent of calling the evil of Lakeland good and the good of In That Day Teachings bad; ministry leaders who call whatever they do good and whatever critique comes their way bad; ministry leaders who need to start with truth of In That Day Teachings of the Bible; leaders who can begin establishing the greater and harder truths of In That Day of the Bible and begin anew; leaders who can pray to God they might be worthy of shepherding true revival instead of more insanity conferences; leaders who hate present day so-called-revivals that contain much insanity and soulish anointing; leaders who want to shepherd a revival sans evil, leaders who fully understand true revival will start not with more dung but true, true revival.
None are so blind as those who refuse to see…OR… I once was blind but now I see:
CHURCH IMMATURITIES:
25 Theses for Christian Church Leaders!
Wherein We Must Either Laugh, Cry or Change
By Robert Winkler Burke, copyright 2005
Reno, NevadaUSA
www.inthatdayteachings.com
1)Praying for Uncorrected Revival vs. Repenting of Wrong Doctrine
John the Baptist said to repent.Jesus said to repent.And their sharpest words were directed against the religious leaders of the day.But the religious leaders of today say that they, themselves, have nothing much to repent about.Instead they call for revival for an unrepentant, uncorrected Church.American preachers now find revival chiefly in Third World countries who are hearing the mega ministry spiel for the first time.But in America, faith-movement leaders are finding very little new manna.In the modern nations, who have heard the faith message for many years, revival waits.Like Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn we “got to decide, forever, betwixt two things.”The Church either must massively repent regarding wrong doctrine or pray giddily for heavenly affirmation for an uncorrected Church’s revival.The Church tells us it is righteous, blessed and needing only our money.To believe anything else is, well, to be wrong, damnably so.But perhaps we can help this Church self-enslaved to wrong doctrine escape its shackles of deception.Perhaps we can say, with irony as did Huck when he went against his religious upbringing and helped his friend Jim escape slavery, “All right, then, I’ll go to hell.”
Television Christian ministers sometimes present inane, bellicose banalities pretending to be profundities of the highest order: You’re NOT getting it, they say. Other ministers sometimes give manic, emotional diatribes spewed out with machine-gun furor, along with endless scripture quotes of bounce-back-and-forth-scripture-chasing confusion and misdirection of thought.Other ministers employ a staccato of claptrap clichés, background musical crescendos and witchcraft-controlling rapid fire directives:Turn to your neighbor, say this, do that, turn to a Bible verse, turn to another, go back to the first, consider this verse but don’t turn to it, rub your belly, pat your head, finish my sentence, Simon says don’t think!This allows the Lords of Lunacy to hypnotize their sheep to say B-A-A-A-A-A, and A-A-A-A-A-MEN and T-I-I-I-I-I-I-THE and do everything disconnected from God’s Spirit to convince themselves of their happiness without ever truly being fed Christ or being ever able to manifest Him.The sheep are not being fed Christ, they don’t act Christ-like but they do continue to have a craven desire to get “filled” again at the next expensive show.Deca-millionaire ministers regularly extract from followers, some in poverty, to give their ministry ten percent of their income and buy their next “life-changing” book or other must have products, conventions or cruises!It is beyond scandalous.Christ-fed sheep are wise, not suckers; quickened, not dead-looking; independent, not grotesquely obsequious.Sheep that are fed Christ are healthy.Sheep that are fed ego and deception look like some of the misshapen, beguiled troops who now attend ministry meetings.Such conference shepherds teach how to be obnoxious to the Lord and useless to man.This is the fruit of some modern ministries:Abodes of prideful desolation teaching more abodes to be proudly desolate, unable to please or manifest Christ, but nonetheless manically thrilled with ministry witchcraft mojo deception.Turn to somebody and say He’s in the house.This is Revelation’s last page warning against whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
25)Unrighteous Capitulation vs. the Sword of Truth and Spirit
Country western singer Waylon Jennings wrote, “Lord, it’s the same old tune, fiddle and guitar.Where do we take it from here?...It’s been the same way for years.We need a change.”Many television preachers teach rule-based tithing, rapture, eternal security, dispensational dogma, the imminent return of Just-Fix-Everything-Instantly-Jesus (their own miscreant selves excluded, of course!) and that the only prophet is an entertaining one.Such prophets could not get even a dog that wet the carpet to show remorse.Yet the Church itself is neither housebroken nor repentant enough for God to indwell at sufficient levels.In truth, there is no rapture, no eternal security and Jesus comes quickly in the prepared-for-Him-inside now.Giving must be rhema-based not percentage rule-based.The Church’s end-times dispensational doctrine is a colossally wrong misdirection and poorly prepares the Church, much less the world, for tomorrow’s troubles.Tribulations come with opportunity to be sanctified because hard circumstances penetrate a soul’s stupor.Only when the Church teaches the disciplines required to worship God in spirit and truth and then hear and obey Christ’s rhema voice will the Church be equal to tomorrow’s emergencies, opportunities and potential revivals.TV preachers rake in millions of dollars in sales by pandering fear, greed and giddiness to sheep worldwide.This, despite occasional rebel critics who, to paraphrase Jennings, ask, “Are you sure Christ done it this way?”Truly, the Church has missed it by a mile.Ministries will have to massively repent of wickedly hanging on to wrong doctrines, which make them unable to manifest Christ themselves, and for their brazen audacity in hawking their worldly antichrist opinions like voracious whores.Why should God’s people buy Satan’s doctrines from the Church?Church leaders, wash the inside of the cup.Church leaders, die to self.Church leaders, stop extracting dollars unrighteously.Church leaders, stop flailing at the world with a scabbard of puerile doctrines, and pick up Christ’s two-edged sword of spirit and truth.And use that sword against your wrong beliefs and your wrong spirits.And then publicly repent of your misdeeds of proclaiming truth that was not truth and being of a spirit that was not of God.The world will see you become more and more as God’s very truth and even as God’s very spirit.And then, verily verily the Lord God Almighty says unto you, you will see true revival.
Amen, Amen and Amen.
9/2/08
Dear Pastor Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba (Bungoma, West Kenya),
It was great talking with you yesterday on the phone. I love your spirit!
Below is today's post to the In That Day Teachings Website. It is a letter to a friend named Alan. In this letter I talk about the HUGE fiasco of a recent charismatic revival in Lakeland, Florida. This was led by one Todd Bentley, a man with tattoos covering most of his skin, piercings in ears and under front lip (left, right and center), a past with criminal and sexual predator crimes, an alcoholic, past drug use, a current adulterer, in process of divorce, and one who tried for a time to hide all this while ministering to thousands and thousands who came from all over the world to be touched by him.
Basically, almost the ENTIRE charismatic prophetic crowd of leaders blessed and endorsed this Todd Bentley. Why? Because God made these leaders expose their high level of deception, error and misdirection... in their own respective ministries.
From Bungoma, you may think this strange that I harp on this event. But dear Pastors and Lions of Kenya... Note this event well. Remember it. Do not forget it.
American charismatic leaders put on the best and greatest revival they knew how to... and it crashed down dead because its leader has unresolved problems of alcohol, sexual problems including adultery, body piercings, tattoos on most all parts of skin, and really, really bad ministry spirits. Bentley often would violently HIT his followers when praying and shouting "BAM!" Often, he used a martial arts take-down maneuver, a head-tilt on little old grannies and whoever else was in line for "impartation."
So, you might think, "What does this have to do with In That Day Teachings... or Bungoma... or our problem with needing MONEY NOW!?"
Well, Lions of Kenya... figure it out. American pastors are too damn proud to repent, learn, train or go through the long and excruciating overcoming process of In That Day, the Day of the Lord, this time of individual tribulation as ordained by God for our good overcoming sin and our Adamic nature.
And look what is happening in America... US Senate investigations into the RICHEST of prosperity preachers. Charismatic preachers sucked into the black hole of Todd Bentley's evil-spirit ministry. Then a FLOOD of denial regarding all truth God is sending to His wayward church in these matters exposed by the light of truth.
So I hope this might motivate the Lions of Kenya to buckle down and learn the hard lines and precepts of In That Day Teachings, which are simply greater truths of the Bible. Look through the book I gave Pastor Benjamin. Study it. Ponder it. Find truths therein. Look again with fresh eyes at the Bible. Stop yelling at your congregation. Be with them gently as co-laborers for the greater things of God. Stop preaching/yelling/screaming to them the infantile, baby ways of beginning pastors.
Because you should be glad God has not given you a hundred million dollar income, a global ministry, a huge parsonage, African fame and worldly fortunes.... because when these things have come to unprepared American pastors, they behave as fools. And they become blind leading the blind. And God holds them accountable for leading a world of people astray.
So Lions of Kenya, in your poverty, in your lack of modern utilities, in your lack of fame and fortune... redeem the time, because your time of redemption draweth neigh. Learn greater truths. Beware the EASY ministry way, which would doom you without overcoming maturity and faith.
Stop preaching the easy way... The "you must be saved!" scream. Get beyond that. Your congregation loves God, wants God. Stop telling them they are dirty in their sin. Co-labor with them GENTLY. Tell them you have a very hard time being a good example. Admit that sometimes, they are the better example. Humble yourselves. Model what it is like to admit sin. Don't scream at them to confess their sins before GOD! Rather, surprise everybody and confess to them that the last time you preached, you made mistakes. Ask their forgiveness. Model humility. Model being gentle. Model being kind.
This convicts sinners, not the screaming, hypocritical, self-righteous "hell-fire-and-brimstone" preacher! It is SO EASY and SO LAZY to preach the baby gospel. Show yourselves approved of the Lord by your gentleness, humility and self-effacing honesty -- as spoken to your sheep under God's anointing.
And we all go through trials. My trip to Bungoma was fun. Since the moment I left, my life is back to excruciating trial-after-trial. I spent the last 10 days sick as a dog. I could do nothing. I missed seeing my entire family during their reunion this last weekend. I haven't seen them this summer or spring. Nine months ago I saw them at Christmas time, when again I was sick. This weekend God insisted I be alone, and that I suffer without complaining too much. You think I understand it? No, I don't. I understand very little of what God does in my life. God is a mystery. He likes it that way.
Without excruciating trials ordained by God, David could not have been King, Joseph could not have lead Egypt, Paul couldn't have written, Peter couldn't have been the rock, and you... my friends? Your fix is money? Or trials of God? Or both?
What if I sent you each $100,000? (I don't have this, I just pretend.) Without the trials of maturity God ordains, they money would likely be lost to hard lessons. That's what I personally have done with such moneys in the past.
Now I am wiser. But am needing such moneys. I think I am wiser, but maybe not.
May God grant you his grace, which is not love-mush unlimited forgiveness, but rather divine enablement according to a project timeline He has for our short lives...
May God be with you...
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Dear Alan,
Thanks for your e-mail. I get the feeling we could talk for hours about shared experiences...
I never raced bicycle much, but I did do a lot of triathlons. And I was honored to train for a couple years with Pete Pennseyer, an eccentric fellow who won a bunch of "Race Across America" races, you know, from the West to the East coasts. It was a thrill to train with such a world-class athlete, and also his friends. We'd meet on a section of abandoned Pacific Coast Highway south of Orange County.
He would ride 26 miles to work to the San Onofre Nuclear Plant, from south to north. A few of us from work, and his other friends, would meet him as we pedaled south. Then we'd do a little time trial together. One time I caused Pete to crash when he was pacing behind me and the guy in front of me braked hard. I put Pete in the hospital, but he totally forgave me, he is so kind. He’s a great character.
But I haven't ridden much in the past two years. The Lord leads to and from things, and it is a mystery I don't know I'll ever understand. But I love going fast down a curvy mountain road. (I don't like riding on right lanes of 70+ mph roads... don't trust the traffic!) I love riding on any curvy mountain road in which cars don't go above 60. I'm comfortable in that zone.
As for your discernment, perhaps it is improving substantially. This Todd Bentley fellow, it seems to me, was temporarily enthroned by God as an example of just how whacked-out-bad the charismatic/prophetic church has become! Who could ever be more over-the-top-out-of-control, demon-driven than poor Mr. Bentley? I can't imagine it.
So, while both you and I shied away from the crazy Lakeland, Florida revival, those without discernment approved of the unheavenly goings on. And this included Rick Joyner of Morningstar Ministries (they featured Bentley's mini-videos prime-time on their website prior to the Lakeland insanity,) Bill Johnson of Bethel Ministries (who apparently promised to mentor him,) the great Peter Wagner, Che Ahn, John Arnott. The last four mentioned went to Bentley in June and in a strangely compulsive way knighted/aligned/mentored/approved of his, well, spirits that they knew not of.
What spirits did Bentley perform with? Well, if he laid hands on you and said, "BAM!" you might have been imparted with the following spirits:
1) Uncorrectable spirit that won't be chastised or rebuked
2) Adultery (according to Peter Wagner's blog)
3) Divorce (Apparently, he wants to divorce his wife, say the blog posts)
4) Alcoholism (again, Wagner's blog and Johnson's blog says this was going on)
5) Piercings (His ears, face, spirit?)
6) Tattoos on skin (covering most of body)
7) A past that includes criminal and sexual predator problems (according to blogs mentioning his wild past)
8) Deception spirits (that cause approval of all this by Patricia King, Joyner, Johnson, Wagner and others)
9) Wily crowd-control spirits operating at high level of deception
10) False “impartation” spirits of high ministry that was really low-down evil
What I find fascinating is that the much-praised great leaders of prophetic/charismatic ministries who find that they backed an exotically messed up pack of spirits in a wild minister, don't self-critique themselves.
Rather, the ministers -- especially Bill Johnson -- equivocate and carry on with love mush words like "grace" and "mercy" and "fathering" and such gibberish. Their love for Bentley is hard to detect. However, it is not hard to detect their love of their reputation and stiff-necked refusal to repent of any ministry malfeasance on their part.So they believe they can fix Mr. Bentley.But how can they, since they continue in higher levels of stupidity?(King says it was just an “arm-of-the-flesh” thing.Not a discernment problem on her part, no she’d never fess up to that!)
Back on 12/17/07 I bet my reputation in a letter to Rick Joyner warning him about Todd Bentley. I got a form-letter kind of reply from his secretary, which is now posted on my website. Next, Joyner further backed Bentley. Now Joyner posts he's waiting for Bill Johnson to fix Bentley.I have lost hope that Joyner or other leaders would ever respect my teachings, my record or God’s truth in them.Not a whit do they care of any record of truth that is out there in the web.They broadcast on the web themselves, which we are supposed to find and absorb.
But if my website produces truth verified over time, they do not hold themselves accountable to find it, believe it, perchance repent after having discovered truths therein, and God-willing thereby find answers to intractable questions they have long publically posited and apparently have no faith whatsoever that answers are available, now on the internet, from a real purveyor of truth, which is something they can’t humble themselves to.They proclaim they seek truth, but they don’t.
Alan, over time I have -- believe it or not -- prophetically warned the prosperity televangelists that God would expose their shenanigans. Then the Holy Spirit quickened me to the crazy spirits of Todd Bentley, and how Extreme Prophetic Patricia King and also Rick Joyner were deceived by his beguiling spirits. These ministry heads were beguiled by Bentley's beguiling ways because.... these same beguiling ways have established themselves in those ministries.Look at Joyner’s or King’s videos of their team leaders.These leaders speak nothing but jabberwocky, but they parade prophetic jabberwocky as God’s jewels, when it’s really just dung.
By looking at Bill Johnson, you can see what is going on. And that's equivocation, superciliousness, foggy and hard-to-see-through demagoguery and bucket-fulls of false and soulish anointings. Especially strong is the uncorrectable spirit.Why all this trouble?
Well, the trouble is based on core wrong doctrines, doctrines that the In That Day Teachings sort out... which are true, which are false.
So the ministries of prosperity, rapture, false prophetic conferences, strange fire and all... continue and continue and continue... Sort of like the Energizer Bunny. No stopping them.
No great embarrassment stops wrong doctrine. No fiasco stops wrong doctrine. No proof stops wrong doctrine. Nothing will get any major minister to repent of anything wrong.Not Hinn, not Copeland, not Crouch, not Joyner.Not nobody.
For leaders who supposedly know the Bible, and supposedly believe God is alive and perhaps showing them the error of their ways, I find this -- like Mr. Spock in the original Star Trek series, fascinating.
But ministry leaders, their sycophant assistants and their beguiled sheep don't find much fascination in the In That Day Teachings’ proved-by-time truths. After almost four years of broadcasting truth on the internet through In That Day Teachings, which have provided good and effective warnings to the family of TBN preachers and Rick Joyner's crowd of prophetic conference leaders.... None have called, contacted by e-mail or availed themselves of truth and repentance.Not before warnings.Not after warnings proved true.Not now.Maybe never.Nobody repents of wrong doctrine.It’s too much for them to bear.They love their love mush unto death.
Oh Well! Who am I to expect.... respect? They don't respect themselves enough to repent of their vast assortment of wily ministry tricks.It’s so easy to lead a new sheep astray.It’s almost too easy.New believers are so gullible.This is where money comes to fund the American Preaching Machine.And its leaders don’t respect the truth of the Bible.Malachi 3:10, they believe.John’s repentance, they don’t.
And me, well over time I have published repentances for mistakes along the way. I am overdue doing this again, methinks.
(At this site, search for the many, many articles on Bentley, Johnson, Wagner and crowd.)
9/1/08
The recent spectacle of Todd Bentley’s Lakeland, Florida revival and subsequent meltdown is a huge wakeup call for the wayward charismatic church of America that has for decades involved itself with a whacky kind of prophetic ministry that a) embraces the wrong dogma of escapist theology (i.e. rapture, dispensational madness, love-mush eternal security, etc.) and b) expects its prophetic pronouncements to be true while c) not recognizing God won’t let them see much prophetic insight with such huge errors in doctrine still in their souls so that d) their prophetic ministries become straining institutions of demagoguery that mainly emphasize convincing their audience that deceptive wiles of religious propaganda are nuggets from the kingdom of heaven.
To wit: Observe the bizarre and defensive ranting of Pastor Bill Johnson, of Bethel Church in Redding, California, who went out of his way to bless/mentor/ordain Todd Bentley, along with other deceived fathers of the wayward prophetic charismatic church, during the Lakeland Revival.See Johnson’s supercilious, immature and defensive posture and response to corrective questions he dodged in his internet postings:
His August 2008 posting is a letter of excuse and the June 2008 posting is quite defensive.Nowhere do you see taking responsibility or admitting being deceived by wrong spirits.Watch the video for excellent examples of brazen equivocation.
The In That Day Teachings stress the importance of knowing what spirit we are of, particularly while ministering.Bentley used a huge assortment of wiles and tricks when “imparting” his powers to others.It is as if God wanted to show the charismatic church the problem with current prophetic ministry, including Rick Joyner’s churches and such as is promoted on Patricia King’s Extreme Prophetic Ministry videos, because Todd Bentley was a perfectly outrageous example of bad spirits, out of control and promulgating lies as truth.
Lest you think I loathe Bentley, while I believe God used him as a perfect example of abusive, out-of-control, witchcraft-disguised-as-charismatic-ministry spirits of uncorrectable waywardness in “big ministry,” his soul is no less redeemable than any other.But Johnson and crowd cannot fix Bentley or others like him because they all are of wrong ministry spirits.They all embrace crowd-control wiles, demagogue ministry and hate correction and hate the hard doctrinal truths required for In That Day which is now.(They refuse to admit and repent that rapture is a lie, escapist theology is a lie, Jesus comes now to live in pure souls that have more truth in them than Johnson, Bentley and such wayward leaders creating more wayward sheep.)
The problem is Bentley has never met a prophet that rebuked the wrong spirits in him and the wrong doctrines in him that cause such spirits to have a home in him.No doubt the same is true with Bill Johnson, Kris Vallotton, Patricia King, perhaps even the crowd that surrounds Rick Joyner.They hate, despise, fear and run away from all true prophetic ministry correction.So they are in a heap of trouble.How much trouble?
Well, since these wayward ministries embrace at the core some wrong and escapist doctrines, doctrines that define the future absolutely incorrectly, then they are necessarily off prophetically.
Because God will not let them see the future or correctly prophesy, they are in darkness, deception and know-nothingness in regards to the future.But the big problem is that the charismatic wayward church has found BIG MONEY in, yes you guess it, prophetic conferences.
So Bill Johnson, Joyner and King are all happy to host conference after conference on the prophetic future, when they don’t know enough about it to charge a dime.But they use their so-called prophecy expertise to fund themselves, and they do charge money.Their conferences must by doctrinal blindness necessarily promote a soulish kind of anointing and a soulish kind of “mini-truth-mixed-with-major-untruths” prophetic insight that is not insight.
Thus, their praise bands are relied upon heavily to bring in the anointings, true and otherwise.And their praise bands are penetrated.Such conferences involve much jabberwocky, craziness and just plain strangeness that requires attendees to believe what is truly creepy is not creepy.
But Bentley’s ministry was creepy.But no one in the wayward charismatic church crowd has the guts to repent and say, “Yes, Bentley was creepy, and I didn’t see it, and my wayward charismatic church has embraced this same crowd-control-God-is-here-when-He-isn’t-that-creepy and therefore I myself, as a minister, also have these same creepy crowd-controlling wily spirits in me!I repent of having blind eyes in the spirit, and blinding the eyes of my congregation!We’ve been idiots, teaching idiots in the name of false prophetic conference jabberwocky!”
No, none of the so-called prophetic ministries and so-called prophets will repent of wrong spirits.So until they do, it’s more jabberwocky from wayward leaders who can’t see themselves…Sigh.
Do I exaggerate?Yes, some.But to make true points, points that gutless leaders fear to admit.
Below is my open letter to Bill Johnson:
To:Bill Johnson, Bethel Church, Redding, California
Dear Brother in Christ,
Can you not discern your haughty and supercilious spirit when you replied to questions about Todd Bentley? Instead of accepting the challenges or corrective questions, you attacked the questioner. This is infantile, my brother.
Our Lord admonished us to know what spirits we are of. Your "were you there" ranting reply indicates extreme defensiveness and I dare say immaturity.
Accept critique, apply self-critique yourself. The most mature organizations do... such as the US Army, which self-corrected in Iraq, and is now winning. Politicians do this, businesses do this, families do this... but you as pastor don't.
Re: Your pre-knowledge of Bentley: Why could you not discern what spirits he was of, especially his wrong spirits?
The usual answer is that you have those same spirits in you! What spirits, you ask?
Well, uncorrectable spirits... to begin with. Then, start with crowd-control, manipulative spirits.
RE: To refer to you congregation as "guys" is dismissive and degrading and controlling.
Also: Lack of correction and oversight: RE abandoning the AOG oversight. You've got a lot to clean up, my brother!
God sent the WORST, most EGREGIOUS offender in this spirit category (Bentley,) and you knighted him!
And you cannot repent. Be careful, my brother, God might have let you obtain for yourself an irredeemable spirit that cannot be corrected. Paul called it a reprobate mind.
Why would your mind have trouble seeing things straight? Because you've embraced a prophetic truth that is not prophetic truth. Jabberwocky is not God's intelligent truth. The kingdom of heaven is not demagogue pandering. The kingdom of heaven is not impossible-to-follow nuances about nothing. The kingdom of heaven is not false anointings proclaiming God is here when He isn't. The kingdom of heaven is not founded upon huzzah excitement over empty prophetic proclamations containing no correction, no truth, no chastisement, no rebuke and no power of God. For too long you have dallied in false powers of prophetic ministry that is simply not of God, but rather the strange minds of men who haven't paid the price to receive God's hard, cleansing truth.
Otherwise, you would have seen Bentley's spirits quickly. Or you would receive correction quickly. Or you would join up with those who questioned or critiqued your inability to discern Bentley's spirits and... GOT THOSE SAME SPIRITS OUT OF YOU.
But God let's all of us think what we want to think. And he lets us live with our thoughts.
The point is, the life of your thoughts that live in you did nothing to warn you about Bentley, and enabled your bizarre, ranting, defensive answers when critiqued about Bentley.
Your errant thoughts are driven by errant spirits, errant spirits that have made a home in you and your team at Bethel. You've got a lot of clean-up to do, my brother.
You don't know how much trouble you're in, especially if you disregard the message God is giving you and all in the wayward charismatic crowd, regarding the over-the-top problem spirits that Bentley manifested while ministering under the banner of Christ.
From the Board of Directors (of Fresh Fire Ministries ((Todd Bentley))
We wish to thank all of our friends and partners for the overwhelming flood of support and compassion we have received as a ministry on behalf of Todd and Shonnah Bentley. [Reported to be separated. -- rwb]The many phone calls and emails of concern from people who genuinely love the Bentleys and Fresh Fire Ministries have been a great encouragement to all of us here during these past few days. In particular, the rallying of support and prayer for Todd and Shonnah by prominent leaders within the Body of Christ has been a beautiful indicator of the maturity and grace the Lord is bringing to his Bride.
We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.
On behalf of the Fresh Fire leadership and the Board of Directors we wish to apologize to our friends and partners and to the larger body of Christ and to ask for your forgiveness. We are truly sorry for the pain many of you must feel and so regret that in the midst of great revival, the enemy has found a way into our camp….
Extraction, extortion or their twisted doctrinal booth.
Their homes are desolate of God’s quick, present move.
A conundrum it is, that’s what we’ve got.
The televised preachers talk about God a lot,
But they focus on money, fame, jets and whatnot,
God can’t indwell them with the lies they have bought.
And this is just how God intended for things to be,
There is nothing like a bad example to set you free!
Paul wrote in Colossians 1:26 of this great mystery,
If we are pure in truth and spirit, Christ is in you and me!
Christ is in you, Christ is in me,
But only by spirit, soul and body purity.
Rapture is a lie, God comes quickly,
Not to take us away, but to bring verity.
Thus we live with God and God lives with us,
As we forsake escapist doctrine, carnal religion and lust,
The global television preachers preach as they must,
Of baby things, of escape, of the money they trust.
God never said it would be easy to trust in Him.
Faith isn’t getting what you want by buying in,
To the self-serving prosperity preacher’s whim,
That cash given to them gives multiplied dividend.
God is not a robot, and neither are you.
You cannot force God to do what you want to.
We must stay humble, right thinking and true,
And likely or not, God will surprise us with something new.
Something new is God delighting in the sons of men,
Living and loving in us, and with us and through us again.
From beginning to ending this has been God’s great plan.
To this we say, and perhaps even televangelists might say, amen!
So in this battle, who will win?
The mind of God or of men?
Can televangelists ever repent of their sin?
Can they wake up to the trouble they’re in?
So far televangelists have been rigid and proud,
They never talk of their egregious sins out loud,
They mispronounce the name of their “Gowd,”
And themselves, always they continually laud.
But in the end God always gets His last laugh,
Even now televangelists are in a recompense bath.
And perhaps a few of them will let go demons they have,
Of mammon, of pride, of audience-controlling witchcraft.
And answers the world needs will be finally found,
Through pure televangelists broadcasting world round.
With you my friend, their doctrines might someday be sound,
You can change the world for the better with God on rebound.
8/27/08
I Salute the God in You
By Robert Winkler Burke
Copyright 8/27/08
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For needing six body guards at huge expense
Because you preach Seed-Faith-Give-to-Get
And you fear meeting the angry relatives
Who lost so many of their inheritances
To your extravagant, excessive ministry.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For being opaque with your financial reporting
And being excessive with your ministry spending
That the US Senate now has investigated you.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For being part of a global network
Of financially opaque ministries
Avoiding all correction for forty years.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For teaching escape of the rapture
And selling dispensational fear
With books, videos and lectures
That insure your earthbound retirement’s blessings.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For teaching prosperity pyramid schemes
To copycat preachers in impoverished countries
Who now live big ministry lives off the ultra poor.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For employing so many stage hypnotist tricks
To beguile your hypnotized and starving sheep
Into believing your brazen pride and egomania
Is truly angel sent manna from God’s heaven.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For turning the holy office of the prophet
Into a circus entertainment monkey act
And avoiding all rebuke and chastisement.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For teaching puerile inanities
As being the height of maturity.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For shutting out all greater truth
For shutting out all greater growth
For shutting out all greater future
By rejecting humility and embracing pride.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For teaching so much escapist doctrine
Your believers are full of fear of end-times imaginings
And are completely unprepared for God’s indwelling.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For completely missing the Bible’s In That Day
When greater truth will have to be known
Spirits will be scourged and refined
Fakers will be exposed as liars
And God will live in man.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
For ignoring today’s true prophets of the true God
And celebrating false prophets of false anointings
Who perform false signs and wonders for crowds
While being desolate of God’s true indwelling.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That teaches the world via satellite
An infantile gospel that succeeds
In your great self-enrichment.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That delights in teaching
Baby line upon baby line and
Baby precept upon baby precept
And deafens the ears of the world.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That gets so much wrong
And so little correct
About God’s future.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That refuses the Berean call
That won’t consider higher truth
That ignores this true rebuke
Or any other true chastisement.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That preaches through one hundred satellites
Without any discernable fear of God Almighty
Because you believe you are God without saying so.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
Your broadcast system is perfect
Your perpetuity program is perfect
Your ignore-truth program is perfect
Your ignore-true-prophets program is perfect
Your income program is more than perfect.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
Though you feed not the sheep, you say they are fed, and they believe
You know no future, yet you predict the future, and they believe
You act a fool, yet you say you are wise, and they believe.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
You preach a god that is not God
You say you are not God but you are
And you never will change or be corrected
Because the money is exceedingly good.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
You preach about a coming anti-christ
And your deception to others is almost complete
Because you are completely deceived yourself.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
You say you live for truth
You say you preach the truth
You say the Bible is truth
And you are all that is not the truth.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That has operated freely so long
That has roamed the earth unfettered
Which has now finally run out of time.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That is not God in you
Because you do not salute
The God that is living inside
His prophets you cannot buy.
American televangelist,
I salute the God in you,
That you will bring in your soul
When you face your final position
That now is first but will be last
When you gnash your teeth
And cry out in anguish
This is the God I saluted?
8/26/08
Over time, truth keeps aggregating itself and being confirmed by “In That Day Teachings.”This in regards to prosperity preachers under investigation by the US Senate, by lawsuits revealing faulty character in televangelists promoting wrong doctrine, by embarrassing incidents of wrong-doctrine Christian leaders and finally by confirming predictions made by Robert Winkler Burke regarding charismatic leaders that beguile other beguiled-by-wrong-doctrine charismatic leaders (whether Bill Johnson of Bethel Church in Redmond, CA or Rick Joyner of Morning Star Ministries of North Carolina who both approved Todd Bentley’s shenanigans.)Truth keeps confirming itself in the In That Day Teachings!
Truth begets truth, lies beget lies.It’s still the same old story, a fight for love and glory…as time goes by.
The following is the autonomous reply from and my personal letter to Rick Joyner sent by Robert Winkler Burke, as a warning to Morningstar Ministries regarding Todd Bentley.BOTTOM LINE, They hearkened not unto my missive.Later, Joyner posted on his Morningstar website that Bentley had his (Joyner’s) approval:
12/18/07
Dear Robert,
Thank you very much for your email and for sharing your concerns and insights with Rick. I wanted to let you know that even though Rick is seldom able to reply to the many emails he receives, he does take the time to read what we send him. Thank you again for your faithfulness in sending your comments. God bless you and your ministry in all you do for His Kingdom.
In Him,
Deborah Williams
Ministry Assistant
MorningStar Fellowship Church
PO Box 339
Moravian Falls, NC 28654
Fax: 336-921-2953
From: Robert W Burke [mailto:rwburke@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:14 PM To: Sarah Boyd; Deb Williams Subject: Heads Up Warning to Rick Joyner regarding His Ministry
Letter to Rick Joyner 12/17/07:
Dear Rick Joyner,
I am writing to you out of the great respect I have for you and your ministry.
As you may know, I have produced a website that for three years has railed against the problems in modern television ministry. These problems focus on primarily the TBN family of ministries, ministries that now are facing global scrutiny.
My website, called “In That Day Teachings,” call for massive repentance of wrong doctrines proclaimed as truth by these same media ministries.
Anyway, it is a bucket-load of truth that, while containing perhaps some error, is just too much for most to consider. But I discovered to my delight, these truths enable one to be more accurate about the future than those of dispensational, prosperity or escapology mindsets.
To the point: The odd way that I am organized causes me to be greatly alarmed at the preaching and teaching of Todd Bentley, who appears on your website mini-videos. There are perhaps a dozen alarming things that flash a red light and sound a siren in my mind whenever I see this Bentley. He’s either so full of Jesus he dements my character, or he is powerful strong at reality distortion, jabberwocky and promulgation of what must not be promulgated that he is fooling your ministry enough to promote his babbling videos.
If it is the latter, you are warned he ain’t full o’ Jesus. If it is the former, you have more proof to ignore whatever I said, say or will say in the future.
There, I’ve said it, or written it.
May God grant us the truth in all things.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
Cell 775-690-7293
August 2008 Morningstar Posting regarding Todd Bentley Controversies:
See: “Life after Lakeland, Sorting Out the Confusion” by Lee Grady of Charisma regarding Todd Bentley’s Florida revival program ending in his announced divorce and apparent discrediting.Note that Bill Johnson of Bethel Church, Redmond, CA is mentioned as having ordained (and apparently) approved Bentley.If Johnson and crowd had ever bothered to search the internet for “In That Day Teachings,” and viewed and read what is herein, Pastor Johnson and crowd would have been able to discern Bentley’s problems.BOTTOM LINE:Grady basically says Bentley’s program is problematic.
Wow, you ride 100 miles on a bicycle? And your daughter? You are in great shape!
Back in 2005 I did a few 100+ mile rides, and I'm sure it would take a long time for me to get back in shape again! But I do love riding a rode bicycle, mine is a Trek 5200 type. But I haven't ridden much these past few years.
Congrats on the ride with your daughter!
As for resting, I now need rest. From August 16-24 I traveled to Buffalo New York, then Toronto, Canada, then to a camp called Swallowdale about 100 miles north of Toronto. This was to attend a training camp with 100 other men (and a few ladies) for Russian Martial Art. It involves a lot of conditioning and combat training... with each other. This is my third year of attending such seminars. I was happy to receive a "Teacher-in-Training Certificate."
But unfortunately, halfway through the trip I developed a full summer cold, and only now am feeling that I'm in recovery stage.
So I feel dizzy, dazed and needing much rest.
Isn't it interesting, you doing a Century, me another training camp... and both of us wanting to "manifest Christ." Christ was in shape, maybe He wants us to also be in shape.
On the Southwest Airlines flight to Buffalo, I wrote a twelve-page utterance regarding "There is no rapture," which is the 8/16/08 posting. Then on the flight back, I wrote the poem "Truth is Recognized by its Beauty," posted on 8/25/08.
As you work in secular acute care, perhaps there is a similar work being done in the spiritual.
Back fifteen or twenty years ago, I would loved to have received the truth I believe is now available through the "In That Day Teachings" website.... And now there appears to be truth on top of truth.... With insights about how beauty points to truth and the observation that dispensational doctrine is extraordinarily ugly compared to the sudden indwelling of Christ upon His return! Prosperity doctrine is also at the core ugly, because it promotes love of mammon, greed and excess -- all ugly things.
Now these seem to me to be powerful truths.
And the pabulum on gospel TV seems to be weak and vapid.
Yet they seem strong and I seem weak.
So, I am not the most confident man, because my life experience is bifurcated, where I get financially spanked hard for speaking truth or trying to live true and watch others get mega-rich for speaking easy lies or living easy lies.
Thank you for your prayers. Thank you for your positive comment about the 25 Theses.
Hoping all in Christ,
Robert Winkler Burke
Reno, Nevada
775-690-7293 cell
8/25/08
Truth is Recognized by its Beauty
By Robert Winkler Burke
Copyright 8/24/08
Truth is recognized by its beauty,
And to know this is our duty.
Consider then, current doxies of wayward Christianity,
And ask, Is it beautiful to behold, or mere insanity?
A doxie says when pilots are raptured their passengers die,
But if this is beautiful, then beauty is a lie.
A doxie says widows’ mites let prosperity preachers live high,
But if this is beautiful, then beauty is a lie.
A doxie says eternal security lets all sin in us get by,
But if this is beautiful, then beauty is a lie.
A doxie says Jesus returns to fix all but you and I,
But if this is beautiful, then beauty is a lie.
But the Bible says Jesus comes quickly in us to indwell,
And this is beautiful truth designed to make us well.
And the Bible says a spiritual stirring and cleansing will come,
Allowing Jesus to manifest Himself in our spiritual home.
All escapist doctrine is ugly as ugly can be,
But beautiful to behold is Jesus in whom He is free!
And who can Jesus come to and live with and be free?
Those using His blood who overcome sin and learn to be.
We salute then the Divine living in you and you and me,
This end-times teaching is as beautiful as beauty can be.
But the escapist dogma of religion making us and God not neigh,
Is so far from beauty, we see by its disgusting ugliness it is a lie.
Hurray for God’s beauty!Hurray for God’s truth!
All desolate, abominable doctrine we now must forsooth!
We escape from all escapism taught by escapists,
Their escapism is ugly, as ugly as child rapists.
Escapist shepherds devour their flock,
Ugly it is when God they mock.
Escapists put themselves first and always God last,
Beautiful it will be when the reverse course is cast.
In That Day all truth will finally be known,
And the beauty in whom knew truth will be shown.
Thus In That Day man lives in God, and God lives in man,
From beginning to end: Behold God’s even so beautiful plan!
August 16, 2008
Thus saith the Lord: You say, We know the future. But you also ask, What is the future? You say the future is the rapture, where I, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, come down to earth and take you to heaven; and you escape tribulation. And why do I do this supposed thing? I do this, you say, because you believe in the rapture.
But I, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I say there is no rapture. There is no raputre. There is no rapture.
You say, There isn't? But there is!
And I say, There is no rapture. But you say, There are one hundred million books about the rapture. There must be a rapture, LORD, there must!
But I say unto you, even if there were one million million rapture books, there will be no rapture.
But why, LORD, why? you ask Me.
Because My Father never planned for the rapture. It is an invention of Satan. It is your escape from Us indwelling you.
So now you ask, What, LORD, is the future? Have we blinded ourselves by believing in the rapture? What must we now see?
From the beginning to the end, I am. I am the Alpha and the Omega. I am the beginning and the end. And from the beginning Father God had a plan and this plan will continue unto the end.
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Look, now, with fresh eyes to see what this plan has been. It is written on almost every page of the Bible. It is the long history of man and God and God and man. It is love.
Father's love fills the universe. It fills Me, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It fills the Holy Spirit. And this universal love from God is supposed to fill you: mankind. And here is how it fills you: I fill you. The Holy Spirit fills you. And by connection, even the Father fills you.
You say, How do you fill us, LORD?
We fill you by living in you, in your abode, in your spiritual dwelling, your house, your mansion. But we cannot abide with certain things: Pride, rigidity, selfishness, hate, coveting, adultery, murder.
From the beginning to the end We, your God, want to delight in the sons and daughters of earth. You were created for Our delight, and We are your Creator in which you can delight.
You have been desolate of this wisdom and therefore you have been desolate of Us, your God. You have believed in things that are not right. You have believed wrong doctrines. And you have made these doctrines your god.
Go now to your god of rapture. Go now to your god of carnal prosperity. Go now to your god of escape by My physical coming before final judgment. But this strange god of yours, you cannot go to him, and he cannot go to you. Call him now, call him to you now to help you escape tribulation on earth.
What? He does not come to you? I will tell you why the god of rapture and escape does not come to you, says the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He does not come to you because he is not.
The god of rapture is nothing. He is not even dead becasue he was never alive. But you are used to worshipping things that have no life: gods of escape, gods of mammon, gods of rigid religion, gods of intellectualism, gods of victimhood and weakness, gods of everything We are not.
And you have become even as these dead gods you worship. As you worship gods of weakness, you become weak. As you worship gods of intellectualism, you become stupid. As you worship gods of rigid religion, you become zealots of heresy. As you worship gods of mammon, you become swines of prosperity. As you worship gods of escape, you become desolate of Our indwelling.
Look now, oh foolish modern people! Look in the Bible and see where I, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, or Our holy prophets, or Our holy precepts and lines create such insanity? If you worship Us in spirit and truth, you cannot find any verses supporting such waywardness unto abomination.
But you have twisted the scriptures! And you have twisted your minds and souls! And you have twisted your very spirits! And you have tried to twist Us, your God. But We twist not because We change not.
We cannot be but what We are, your God that changeth not. And you cannot be right when you are wrong. And you are wrong about Us, your God, and you are wrong about yourselves, Our creation. And you are wrong about Our holy scriptures written to guide you from error into righteousness and then beyond unto purity and holiness.
You are like Job's three friends. You don't speak right about a great many things about Us, your God. You are, like they were, spiritually blind. You are God-blind, as they were God-blind.
They, like Job, knew of their God only by distance, only by reason, only by religious knowledge. But We wanted them to know Us intimately, and We to so know them. We wanted them to cease being God-blind and God-bereft-of-indwelling. So We allowed tribulation to come to Job. The purpose was to spiritually shake off all religious rigidty, presuppositions and prejudices.
Finally, We spoke through Elihu and talked about religious pride in stubborn humankind, through veiled references to Our creation. At last Job allowed his tribulations to spiritually scourge him of religious pride, rigidy and prejudice! He saw Us spiritually! What We were doing! What was ahead! And he prayed for his friends. And We could indwell Job, and make his -- and Our -- days full!
The story of Job is a story now for you, oh modern people of the world! Read your Bibles and see! Spiritual scourging is now come to give you spiritual eyes to see, spiritual ears to hear, and most importantly spiritual abodes We can indwell!
Now some of you who are worthy can escape spiritual scourging, and become Our useful indwelt vessels even as Elihu of old was Our useful indwelt vessel. He could see, hear and speak in the spirit of God, even as this servant of Ours who is writing this now to you on the tray table of an airline seat while he is flying across the United States on August 16, 2008.
But most of you are not worthy to escape tribulation, so in your proper time, tribulation might come to you as an opportunity to realize hard treatment can scourge and cleanse a person of wrong spirits and wrong thoughts or doctrines. But the very immature will not yet face troubling scourges and tests. They are not ready. But others of you are ready.
You want to believe Us, your God, and have Us work through you, Our creation. But your pride rears up in ugly manifestation when We ask you to ackhowledge Our coming quickly in another person who is somewhat like yourself, part sinner part saint; only less sinful and more saintly in truth and spirit than yourself. This bothers you in your immaturity with the greater things of God and Our glories of indwelling.
You say, We will honor You, oh God, but never a man or woman in whom You come quickly! We ignore such people. We dishonor them. We despise them.
And because you treat My blessed return so carelessly and so callously, I cannot come in you and your spiritual house remains desolate. And because you treat My holy and blessed friends in whom I return so carelessly and so callously, you curse your own desolate spirits unto abomination of desolation.
So repent of fighting against the kingdom of heaven in this day! Repent, you religious leaders! Repent you preachers who are broadcast around the earth! Repent, you leaders of denominations of deadly doctrine! Repent, you college professors of wrong theology! Repent, all you stubborn believers in wrong gods.
And come to Me, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I died for you. But I died not that you in this age would live this time alone, with your head stuffed full of vain imaginings about Me, the Holy Spirit and Father God Almighty. No! I died that I might live in you; in all of humankind and that you might live, truly live, in Me!
We are to co-labor together, you and I, now while you are on earth. We are to co-labor with saints praying for you in heaven. We are to co-labor with less spiritually mature humans who are not yet God-filled. We are to co-labor with all of creation to do Our Father's will, which is to bring heaven to earth now.
This is what you have called the Lord's prayer. It is Father God's plan. There is no other way. I can do no other thing. In truth, neither can you do any other thing with God.
To be more greatly indwelt of Us you must first understand all are somewhat indwelt of Us. We are spirit and life and truth. All things created have some of Our nature, even the enemies of Our nature.
But to be more greatly indwelt of Us you must believe greater truth, or Father God's doctrines, and have a greater percentage of clean spirits. So you must go from righteousness to purity to holiness. This is the overcoming process.
By My blood, the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and by the witness of your testimony -- your spirit and true worship of God -- you overcome Satan and your Adamic nature.
Then: Behold, meaning watch with eyes of the spirit to see in yourself and your fellow brother or sister, from the east to the west and the north to the south, I come quickly.
I, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, change not. And behold, I come quickly.
Though you in rigid religion await a god of escape to take you away from spiritual scourging and eventual overcoming victory; or you occupy yourselves in intellectual vanities; or you greedily seek the god of mammon; or you believe in no God: I, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, tell you now to believe Me when I say again: Surely, I come quickly.
So now honor in whom I come quickly. Honor the word I deliver through being in them and speaking to you. Seek to discern when I come and how I come. It can be in man, woman or child. Father God can even signal you through signs of all kinds.
Believe in God and be established. Believe in God's prophets and prosper. Behold, man in God and God in man! Be not afraid to honor those in whom God lives. Neither make them God.
Worship God in spirit and truth. Be renewed this day in spirit and truth. Abandon lies and wrong spirits. Get rid of religious pride and wrong doctrines of wrong theology.
Be then and be now indwelt of God. Let Us live in you by letting go of devilish lies and devilish spirits. We are a holy God. And you are to be Our righteous and holy people. Draw neigh unto Us and We will draw neigh unto you.
Be Our people. And let Us be your God. Let Us now together live, and evermore live, in peace and productivity.
I, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, have spoken this day through the ready pencil of Our servant, Robert Winkler Burke of Reno, Nevada.
You cannot believe in Me without believing in whom I believe. Your test this day is to believe I live, and I delight in living in others, and if you will truly honor what I am doing in others, then truly, truly I say unto you: When you are ready, Behold to you personally even then I will come quickly.
Amen, amen and amen.
8/14/08
Pride is an Implacable Enemy – Wrong doctrine stands in the way of God indwelling His people at the greater levels He requires in this day.To have a soul clean enough for God to indwell and co-promote His kingdom, we must have relatively pure and mature doctrines.Some of the most popular teachers of Christian doctrine today are the family ministries of Trinity Broadcasting Network, a network boasting 70 satellites covering the earth.These ministries generally broadcast escapist doctrine in the form of rapture theology, prosperity theology and eternal security theology.God is correcting the most famous of the Trinity Broadcasting Network family ministries by US Senate investigation into their opaque finances, or embarrassing incidents or lawsuits to expose fraudulent Christian character.Rather than work with the light God shines in dark ministry places, these ministry leaders tend to ramp up their pride and fight truth and light.These ministry leaders are proving themselves worse opponents than the leviathan or crocodile God admonished Job about.And in truth, God’s worst opponent has always been pride.God was trying to get Job to see his own pride of religion when He told him about the leviathan or crocodile being an implacable enemy.This enabled Job to repent in dust and ashes over his religious rigidness.That was then.Now apparently nothing can correct Trinity Broadcasting Network, its deluded and wrong-doctrine teaching ministries and its caught-in-the-light-of-the-Lord ministers of embarrassing character.Pride is an implacable enemy.Do the ministers of wrong doctrine want God to take it to the next level?Doesn’t this level of embarrassments, investigations and lawsuits hurt enough to desire correcting the doctrine-driven problems?Or must God send them greater woe?God can easily send wrong-doctrine ministries more woe.He can do that.But must the proud ministers and their proud families prove themselves irredeemable?God forbid!
See! God stirs things up spiritually in that day, which this day is.He comes quickly.But who can endure the day of His coming?And who can stand when He appears?For He is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap.He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and He will purify the ministers of wrong doctrine, particularly the proud and arrogant prosperity mongrels of greed.Whom they seek will suddenly come to His temple, which is our living abodes, and we will be judged worthy or unworthy as vessels of pride and avarice or humility and truth.FOR BEHOLD, which means look with the eyes of the spirit at what is really going on with indwelt people of God and fakers pretending to be indwelt people of God, the day comes that shall burn spiritually like an oven, and all the proud and arrogant, yes, and all that do wickedly and are lawless, shall be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch: even and especially proud televangelists who say to their Maker, we will not now, nor will we ever be corrected!They say, we have our power, we have our money, we have our fame; and we will not be corrected, not even by the Lord Himself! BUT THE LORD OF HOSTS SAYS BEHOLD, meaning look and read this with the eyes of the spirit as if God were really alive and wanting you to discern truth from all sources, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me.See!The abode of God is with men, and He will live (encamp, tent) among them; and they shall be His people, and God shall personally be with them and be their God, insofar as they believe true doctrines of God and worship Him in true Spirit.(Redacted from the Amplified Bible; Malachi Chapters 3,4 and Revelation 21:3, 22:12.)
8/13/08 Exalt (or Forsake?) Swinish Pursuits– The Gospel of Our Lord Jesus requires us to be our best for Him.That way He lives in us!Hallelujah!In His first beatitude, Jesus said:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
We can conclude Jesus likes to abide in the humble.Just fifteen verses later Jesus said:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Yet today Kenneth Copeland lives in a parsonage, paid by his donors that include widows.This house is reported to be 18,000 square feet!Likewise, Benny Hinn lives in a parsonage, paid by his donors that include widows.This house overlooks the ocean at 35 Ritz Cove Drive, Dana Point, California; a residence reported to be worth over $10 million!And it is reported that a nearby residence is also rented for extended family members.Copeland and Hinn also fly in ministry owned (which means they own) jets reported to be worth beyond $18 million.Copeland has talked of needing another twin jet for the wife.Another time he said he could use a 747 jumbo.Creflo Dollar has squelched rumors that he owns two Rolls Royce automobiles, he says he simply owns one.To common people of the world, the kind Christ ministered to so well in his days on earth two thousand years ago, this high ministry living on donations from a base that includes widows seems to look and smell rather swinish.By their witness, these famous prosperity preachers exalt, rather than forsake, swinish pursuits; thus teaching men so.Now first in this world, in the next will they be last?Is it impossible for them to repent and stop teaching men so?Do they know copycat preachers replicate them worldwide?
The Worse Smiting –“The worse smiting is to never be smitten.” – Unknown.This homily explains Victoria Osteen’s “outing” that she has issues in regards to being pampered enough in First Class airline seating, as revealed by her December 2005 incident and follow up August 2008 lawsuit.This explains Kenneth Copeland’s “outing” that he has issues in regards to self-enrichment at the expense of donors, as revealed by US Senate inquiries on his ministry’s sinfully opaque finances.Ditto for Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, Paula White and Benny Hinn.It appears God might be trying to smite the hell out of them, which is to say reveal doctrine-driven problems, so that their core ministry doctrines that are horribly wrong might be revealed, repented of and finally eschewed.These woefully wrong doctrines, shared by much of the Trinity Broadcasting Network family of ministries, are Seed-Faith Give-to-Get, Rapture and escape-from-responsibility Eternal Security.So we must conclude God loves these miscreant leaders of wrong-doctrine ministries.If God didn’t love them, He wouldn’t smite them… or us!The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God.So Victoria, Kenny and crowd, don’t fight God’s smite!Take the lesson!Repent, for Christ’s sake!Stop pretending you’ve never been bitchy, greedy or anti-christy while pretending to be saints on camera deserving millions in donations to showcase vainglorious lifestyles of the first who will be last.
8/12/08 Hogwash Theology– Hogs stuck in the swine trough of Prosperity Doctrine almost always also believe in the escape of the rapture.But rapture theology is also hogwash.Note the connection.Lies beget lies.But truth begets truth.There is no rapture.There is no robot GAWD of prosperity that gives you hundredfold blessings for giving cash to a self-centered prosperity ministry.Even the glorious Joel Osteen Ministry faces rotten publicity that hasn’t yet died over the self-centered tizzy fit Victoria, wife of Joel, performed in a commercial plane before take off in Houston in December of 2005.Victoria never ‘fessed up over her strange outrage at not being sufficiently pampered in her First Class arrangements.Victoria caused a two and a half hour delay, until she was removed from the craft.She never apologized to the delayed Christmas-time passengers.Rather, she reported that the FBI over-reacted, not her!Now the couple is in court facing their accuser, a stewardess who believes she was hurt by Victoria’s fit, and is due ten percent of Victoria’s worth.‘Tis a strange tithe indeed.But notice how God’s light shines where it shines: on the supposedly great and the clearly not so great and even on the truly great.But this spotlight is Victoria’s character, a character that is promoted by the family ministry as being truly, truly prosperous.
How to Prove Seed-Faith Doxie is Wrong – To prove that Seed Faith doxy is egregious and self-serving, simply track the sad pugilistic responses of Kenneth Copeland to the US Senate Finance Committee investigating his legendarily opaque finances at Kenneth Copeland Ministries.Copeland, above all other “prosperity” ministry heads, provides proof that the Seed Faith Prosperity Gospel is sinfully self-serving.The latest news focuses on over-payments made to board members in the form of generous speaking fees, over-generous business dealings with son John and over-excessive housing for himself in the form of an 18,000 square foot parsonage.Copeland seems to be doing everything possible to prove his rigid righteousness is vanity, while also doing a hell of a job at possibly losing non-profit status for his ministry.As has been noted elsewhere, why must we bless Copeland and crowd with cash donations in order to receive blessings from God?The erroneous prosperity doctrine of Trinity Broadcasting Network et al relies on the lie that a) if you send money to a self-serving ministry, then b) an autonomous robot-like god will c) automatically return hundredfold cash blessings.This is the lie of Satan.God is not a robot.Thus, sojourners of truth cannot make nor love such lies.Though God gave the prosperity doctrine crowd much time to repent, they repented not.So God is shining the light on Copeland’s excessive self-centered largess to kin and kind.
For God’s Sake Turn Us Loose – The October 2007 edition of National Geographic contains an article “Space, The Next Generation” which describes the history of space exploration.Starting with the Soviet Sputnik, a 184-pound aluminum sphere launched on October 4, 1957, the spirits of mankind were uplifted with the space race between the United States and Soviet Russia. From the article:
A month later the Soviets launched 1,120 pound Sputnik 2, six times heavier than its predecessor, with a dog named Laika aboard.Laika lasted only a few hours in the overheated spacecraft, but the Russians had made their point:If they could put a dog in orbit, they could send a human.Wernher von Braun, the transplanted Nazi scientist who would build the Saturn V rocket that launched the Apollo moon missions, begged Neil McElroy, the incoming secretary of defense:“For God’s sake turn us loose.”
The basic problem with space flight is that for an object to reach low earth orbit, it must fly between 17,000 and 18,000 miles an hour.To fly somewhere else beyond, the spacecraft must go 25,000 miles an hour.This is true for something five pounds or 50,000 pounds.Thus space flight involves controlled explosions:A space shuttle launch involves a 4.5-million-pound object with seven million pounds of thrust going into the heavens at 25 times the speed of sound.Selah.
The In That Day Teachings have long bemoaned the fact that just about everything under the sun is improving exponentially, except that is, Christianity.Whereas a new “Moon-to-Mars” space program has been launched by NASA with its “Apollo on steroids” Ares-Orion program; what is happening with the behemoth Christian preaching machine as presented by Trinity Broadcasting Network’s 70-satelite conglomeration?The undeniable answer:More of the same-old, same-old.
The American Preaching Machine basically says the future is no future.Prepare for rapture, or a fix-all imminent second coming, or for nothing since eternal security takes care of all escape, now and forever.The In That Day Teachings say the opposite.
According to the In That Day Teachings, there is no escape from the future.We are the future in God.And the future will be the righteous and holy operating at a) extremely high levels, b) distributed widely about the planet, yet c) operating in unity with God.
Here is the example:Back in 1750 the world had basic math, basic science, basic logic, basic education.Humans enjoyed global travel by sailing ship, local travel by horse, communication by letter, health by blood-letting.But then began advanced math, advanced science, advanced programming, advanced education.Humans now enjoy global travel by jumbo jet, local travel by car and rail, communication by cell phone and internet and health by advanced medical treatment.
Observe that the advances in humankind are created by individual teams operating at extremely high levels (jumbo jet creators, car manufacturers, freeway designers, airport traffic planners, cell phone network strategists, internet theorists, medical researchers, etc.)These teams work independently, yet also seamlessly in conjunction with general improvement in mankind.Even the moon shot workers do their part to improve life here on earth.
In the future, the same will happen with the righteous and especially the holy in regards to Christianity and the human condition.Individuals and teams of holy people working at extremely high levels will bring heaven to earth in certain particular arenas, each team working at what it does best for God to bring certain things of God into life on earth.
But now the previously mentioned American Preaching Machine is mostly infantile and remedial.It operates in a baby gospel land, it has not yet weaned the baby from mother’s milk.Woe to this televised preaching machine, that mainly boasts of its sagacity.
First the machine’s leaders must repent of blocking God’s future by the doctrines of escaping all future:Rapture, the imminent second return and eternal security.Once these blinders of all true prophetic insight are removed, then sheep can follow truth.
Then leaders will not stone true prophets, not stone true holy leaders.Right now the fake leaders have nothing to do but find a) emotional excitement about nothing really, b) find entertaining prophets who prophesy nothing important, c) keep repeating inane lines upon inane precepts.But the true holy, the truly connected of God now say to the vapid leaders of Christian television, “For God’s sake turn us loose.”
8/8/08 New Beginnings from Bungoma – After almost four years of work on this In That Day Teachings website, I – Robert Winkler Burke – have returned from a 17-day trip to the small town of Bungoma, located in the western region of Kenya, Africa.I was invited by a pastor named Benjamin Wamalwa Khaemba to teach his pastors and congregations of about nineteen small churches.Bottom line:Everywhere I taught the In That Day Teachings, the pastors and congregation members were extremely happy with the message.They said, “This is the meat, this is the bone!”The message was received, and seemed to bring abundant life, joy and singing (and repentance.)Khaema said he had fasted, prayed and searched for seven years for higher Christian teachings.The hearts of the pastors and their flock were amazingly receptive to me.Their wonderful songs of African harmony blessed my ears.However their great love and spiritual hunger for God was matched by extreme financial challenges.Nevertheless, they greatly desire more In That Day Teachings by way of further visits from me and team members.
The name of the ministry I visited in Africa is called God’s Grace Revival Ministries.Below is a testimonial:
8/3/08
Dear Brother Robert,
I’d like to thank you very much for the services you have given unto us on the Bible in Bungoma District, Kenya.
Your teachings have been so greatful (sic) and wonderful.Why?Because your great emphasis was on how to worship the Lord in truth and identification of true Spirit.This is what we lacked in our churches.
Now that you have opened our eyes and ears, we can hear and see spiritually.I do wish that you continue standing in the word of the Lord and when you come back again we receive more blessings.
Convey my greatings to your friends in USA and tell them that I love them in the Lord.
Your brother in Christ,
Tom Wekesa Wamyama, Bungoma, Kenya, Africa
I thank all who prayed for me and these teachings.Please consider the possibility of teaming up for more teaching trips to Bungoma, or sending contributions to make trips possible.Also, if you are a Christian leader desiring to hear these teachings personally, call me at 775-690-7293 to discuss opportunities for me to come visit. On this day of new beginnings, the eighth day of the eighth month of two thousand eight, I give God the glory.– Robert Winkler Burke(Caveat:I hold no official USA church rank.)
P.S.Today I have started a new Home Page on the website, repositioned the Old Home Page as the second page listed, and installed a Message Board at the bottom of this page.Also, I hope to provide videos and photos of my Kenya trip.Their songs were heavenly!(And, Macintosh users might have to download Windows Media Player in order to view the video clips below:)
Click on the two icons below to see and hear Bungoma, Kenya singers:
The following information contains a series of teachings for the Bible’s much-heralded “In That Day,” or end-times events which seem to be upon us. These are high-level Christian teachings for those hungry for the greater things of the Holy Spirit, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth and Father God Almighty. They are prophetic. They are true and are presented, for the most part, in a right spirit.
The teachings are not for people who do not want to manifest the Lord Jesus Christ in their lives here on earth. They are for people who want Father God's kingdom in heaven to come now.
These teachings are not to be mocked, battled against with meaningless scripture wars or engaged in vainly. If these teachings are not true, let them die of their own accord. Please do not mock, curse or come against these teachings or the presenter of them.
Either these are teachings are sent of God for this day to accomplish God's purposes, or they simply are not. Listen and watch sequentially, from the first to the last.
The greater things of God require greater patience, greater spirit to spirit communication and deeper insight. All this takes time; your time to watch and listen. Years of teachings have been condensed into hours. Be not impatient. Only believe.
The bottom line message of Christ has been lost in centuries of clutter.Christ’s message is that He must come and manifested Himself in us NOW.
Revelation 3:19 says: As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.SO BE CAUTIONED: PREPARE TO BE REBUKED.
The Spirit of the LORD says, Come and enjoy hearty meat and drink. Your season of drought and famine is over, if only you receive. Receive now, Our teachings for this day.
Spend time with Us and be filled. Spend time with Us and be reproved. Spend time with Us and be taught. Spend time with Us and learn of Us again. Spend time with Us and learn and be happily surprised with good things.
For the future is a day in which all who have eyes and ears to see and hear will have confidence, and joy and not fear. For fear is the surprise given to the desolate. But the Church has been desolate, and fearful and an empty house which is dark and bewildered! We would Our abodes be homes full of good company, and good cheer, and good tidings, and ancient wisdom and wonderful laughter. Come, spend time with Us. We have missed you. With love We have longed for you to receive rightly, and come with the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit and Father God Almighty and talk, and sing, and dance, and dine, and live and truly, truly We say unto you, BE whom We desire you to BE! Come with the great I AM and BE!
